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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:35 am 
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Agree BV. Personal attacks not necessary. Certain posters are repeat offenders.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:46 am 
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Like his twin brother is way too soft
His kicking is crap
He needs to improve his ruck craft
Very overrated
But has the potential
I firmly believe many players lose their edge when given monster contracts
Amazing when their contract is coming to the end and they pull their finger out
Come on down Mitch McGovern.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:10 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
And people wonder why I get agitated.


Nah it's just old man syndrome. :lol: :lol: :lol: You ain't alone there, cobber. :donk:

Go Blues.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:23 am 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
And people wonder why I get agitated.


Nah it's just old man syndrome. :lol: :lol: :lol: You ain't alone there, cobber. :donk:

Go Blues.

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Nah , i thought you mellowed with age . Works for me .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:51 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Everyone on the wrong side of the Harry debate needs to pull their head out of their arse.


And here we have a perfect example.
You cannot have a debate about the value of a player. If you don't conform to the opinions of certain posters, you have your head up your arse.
The only contribution to the discussion is attempting to denigrate anyone with an alternate view. How insightful.
And people wonder why I get agitated.


I cant ever recall you leaping to my defence with some of the alterative views I have had on here over the years :razz:

The way I look at Harry is he is better for team structure - The constant weeks of Curnow being one out is taking it's toll. Against Sydney Harry was the best big man on the ground until he got injured albeit he missed a couple of sitters . The 2nd goal he missed he wouldn't have done so if he had not taken the mark on the back flank and sprinted forward to provide option in goal square - If he had kicked straight it would have been an amazing effort.

You also have to consider since Parkin Exited stage left we have had a procession of coaches and assistant coaches in the club. By the very fact we are in preliminary final tends to suggest this is the best group of coaches we have had in over 24 years and their mantra is two rucks 2 KPF and if Harry is fit he plays.

Harry is no good at centre bounce ruck contest and the centre clearance is the most important stat in the game.
Maybe he can work on that and his kicking in off season who knows - But Harry's work rate his ability to get up the ground and provide option is to valuable the way the game is played to even consider the thought of trading him

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 Post subject: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:56 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Everyone on the wrong side of the Harry debate needs to pull their head out of their arse.


And here we have a perfect example.
You cannot have a debate about the value of a player. If you don't conform to the opinions of certain posters, you have your head up your arse.
The only contribution to the discussion is attempting to denigrate anyone with an alternate view. How insightful.
And people wonder why I get agitated.


Yeah, I think Crusader was taking the piss with this post (you know, joking), and you may have slightly over reacted….

And yes Duke, this was obvious to even my sense of humour…..


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 10:16 am 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Mods you might have to close this thread and re open the one about the Orange Baboon.

BTW :eek: Where are those 4 fwits with the low IQ’s. I almost miss them. I know they aren’t actually Carlton supporters but……………….they were fun to dance with. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 10:30 am 
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Personally, I think Harry is a prodigious talent who shows glimpses of his talent but frustrates supporters with his lack of consistency. I suspect that he lacks a bit of mongrel. I would like to see him being more aggressive and assertive in the contest.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 10:48 am 
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stubba wrote:
Personally, I think Harry is a prodigious talent who shows glimpses of his talent but frustrates supporters with his lack of consistency. I suspect that he lacks a bit of mongrel. I would like to see him being more aggressive and assertive in the contest.


This frustrates me too...I get the coaches are seeing things differently SB, I get the work he does but...but....missing that shot....no matter how hard he has run he needs to somehow manage to settle himself so that he takes that shot and nails it.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 11:01 am 
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MICKSTA….

Hronia Pola my fine Carlton supporting
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sorry I missed that yesterday mate..
hope ya had a rippa…!


kindest regards tommi

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 11:21 am 
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dannyboy wrote:
stubba wrote:
Personally, I think Harry is a prodigious talent who shows glimpses of his talent but frustrates supporters with his lack of consistency. I suspect that he lacks a bit of mongrel. I would like to see him being more aggressive and assertive in the contest.


This frustrates me too...I get the coaches are seeing things differently SB, I get the work he does but...but....missing that shot....no matter how hard he has run he needs to somehow manage to settle himself so that he takes that shot and nails it.


He is not alone in the AFL in missing set shots on goal the greatest forward of the last 25 years kicked 754 points and totally missed over 100 times - for every 10 goals he kicked he missed 8.5 times and he was the very best there was .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 12:06 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Like his twin brother is way too soft
His kicking is crap
He needs to improve his ruck craft
Very overrated
But has the potential
I firmly believe many players lose their edge when given monster contracts
Amazing when their contract is coming to the end and they pull their finger out
Come on down Mitch McGovern.

Both brothers are a wee bit shaky between the ears. Ben was convinced he wasn’t good enough as a junior & almost walked away from the game before he started.

Harry’s meticulous preparation from week to week is enough, for me at least, to see these kicking yips as fixable.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 12:50 pm 
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tommi wrote:
MICKSTA….

Hronia Pola my fine Carlton supporting
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sorry I missed that yesterday mate..
hope ya had a rippa…!


kindest regards tommi


Thanks a lot Tommi . I enjoy life so much it seems like every day is my birthday . My attitude is if you wake up in the morning its a good start for the day . Efkeristo Poli .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 1:15 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Everyone on the wrong side of the Harry debate needs to pull their head out of their arse.


And here we have a perfect example.
You cannot have a debate about the value of a player. If you don't conform to the opinions of certain posters, you have your head up your arse.
The only contribution to the discussion is attempting to denigrate anyone with an alternate view. How insightful.
And people wonder why I get agitated.


Yeah, I think Crusader was taking the piss with this post (you know, joking), and you may have slightly over reacted….

And yes Duke, this was obvious to even my sense of humour…..


Yes, of course. Here's his previous meaningful contribution to the conversation. A bit more humour, hey?
Thanks for the insight.

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Get rid of the dominant CHF because it’s just easier to finish last all the time.

Take the high draft picks & circle jerk to the ‘upside’.

:roll:

It’s been too long for some of you. You’ve forgotten how to get to the top of the hill and stay there.

It’s ok. We’ll get you there.

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 Post subject: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 1:45 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Everyone on the wrong side of the Harry debate needs to pull their head out of their arse.


And here we have a perfect example.
You cannot have a debate about the value of a player. If you don't conform to the opinions of certain posters, you have your head up your arse.
The only contribution to the discussion is attempting to denigrate anyone with an alternate view. How insightful.
And people wonder why I get agitated.


Yeah, I think Crusader was taking the piss with this post (you know, joking), and you may have slightly over reacted….

And yes Duke, this was obvious to even my sense of humour…..


Yes, of course. Here's his previous meaningful contribution to the conversation. A bit more humour, hey?
Thanks for the insight.

Crusader wrote:
Get rid of the dominant CHF because it’s just easier to finish last all the time.

Take the high draft picks & circle jerk to the ‘upside’.

:roll:

It’s been too long for some of you. You’ve forgotten how to get to the top of the hill and stay there.

It’s ok. We’ll get you there.


Ok, to quote Duke, when did you delete your sense of humour account?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 1:47 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Like his twin brother is way too soft
His kicking is crap
He needs to improve his ruck craft
Very overrated
But has the potential
I firmly believe many players lose their edge when given monster contracts
Amazing when their contract is coming to the end and they pull their finger out
Come on down Mitch McGovern.



Agree his kicking could be better
Only needs to improve his ruck craft if Voss wants him to play ruck.
Overrated - disagree and clearly the people inside the club agree with me.
Has potential and has shown plenty.
Mind game nuff nuff statement - :eek: Yes and the other day I went outside and it started raining. Clearly then I can influence the weather!
The fact McG is staying fit and on the park clearly has had no impact on his form? It all relates to his contract. :screwy:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:29 pm 
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Happy birthday for yesterday Mickstar.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:44 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
And people wonder why I get agitated.


Nah it's just old man syndrome. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Go Blues.

Regards Cazzesman


Ain't that the truth. :lol:
Let's hope we're all celebrating a win tomorrow night and Harry kicks 5.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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kezza wrote:
Happy birthday for yesterday Mickstar.


Thanks Kezz . Go Blues .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:58 pm 
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stubba wrote:
Personally, I think Harry is a prodigious talent who shows glimpses of his talent but frustrates supporters with his lack of consistency. I suspect that he lacks a bit of mongrel. I would like to see him being more aggressive and assertive in the contest.


Yes, a bit more assertiveness would be nice.
I get frustrated by his misses but at least he seems to be trying to sort it out. For a long time Harry kept doing the same thing and getting the same poor result.
He seems to be attempting to be more upright with his drop punts and his head isn't falling away to the right. I admire Harry's dedication to his craft. Apparently he trains hard. My question isn't about individuals so much. It's about our structure. I believe we'd be a better team if Harry and TDK were combining ruck/tall forwards. Personally, I believe they could be the best forward/ruck combination in the game.
I understand others don't share that view. They like 2 rucks/2 tall forwards, I don't. I think it makes us too immobile and inflexible carrying a ruck as a 3rd tall forward or a bench warmer.

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