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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2025 9:24 am 
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Sometimes player managers throw out club names to throw you off the scent.

Geelong is the destination many of these A grade talents want to get to.
So whilst his manager says Sydney & Gold Coast everyone realises they are unrealistic club destinations.
Sydney is an ageing club reliant on four good players. Gold Coast has about 1000 academy players coming in… so once again it will likely be Geelong.

Someone has to stand up to this process of Geelong raiding clubs. Yes, I know they have Cameron & Neale, but they can stock up.

Curnow’s contracted. It’s a hold unless you get overs x 10. If his contract expired in 2027 maybe you act differently.

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Sleeping with the light on are we?

Jezza has got at least a couple more in him & they’re not going to lump Charlie’s contract if they don’t have to. Paying 100% of his deal is the only non-negotiable.

Sydney can do it, but they don’t need to. Their game style just doesn’t call for a Curnow type. They’d sooner target Weitering, all things considered.

The Dees could get it done if they can move Oliver - so they can’t get it done.

Hawthorn might, but I don’t see Mitchell being interested. Chol, Lewis, Dear, Gunston for at least one year, so again $1m of Curnow eating a hole in their plans.


Nope. I think Charlie is out there getting the humbling of a lifetime.


How did you know I slept with the lights on?

I have a teddy bear too.

Yeah, in my opinion...if your lordship will grant me an opinion different to yours, I believe Geelong get whatever they want as they are a "destination club". Curnow is an A grade talent. Geelong will always welcome A grade talent. Sydney is the smokescreen. Geelong have to get in their 24th finals series in a row...or whatever it is so getting Curnow and handing over a couple of meaningless picks between 18-24 in return is ample compensation as far as they're concerned. Cameron is 34 by the way. He might want to work on the farm soon for all you know. One more year? Who knows. Now where's my teddy gone...


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Charlie and his manager really endearing themselves with the Carlton faithful.

Like I’ve said previously, they can both GAGF.

Unless we get WAY overs, no trade.


Yeah the manager obviously spoke directly to Carolyn Wilson.

Last night she was basically quoting what appeared to be verbatim info from the manager.
"He is unhappy. My understanding is that he's desperate to get out of the football club. Exit interview didn't go well I think Coleman Medals might have been mentioned in a negative way."

Then Kane asks
"Did he say he played for Coleman Medals?"

And Caro pulls back from basically divulging too much.
"No I don't know what exactly was said" (is that a lie?)

Look, harshy harshy, meany, meany words were said with about 10,000 times the venom when Walls or Barassi was the coach. How did the players cope then?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2025 9:32 am 
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Well this time Geelong may not get what they want. They have nothing we want. Their draft picks are high.

Someone needs to stand up to them.

Only place is Gold Coast if they want to give up what we will ask for.

Sydney apart from Gulden have nothing else we would need.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2025 9:39 am 
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Unless we get WAY overs, no trade.

The Demons had the same approach with Petracca last year and now probably regret it.
I don't know of any Richmond fans who regret trading away Bolton, Rioli and Baker.
This group of players is nowhere near challenging so if we are given a good offer for Charlie I think we should take it - especially considering Charlie's age and injury history.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Sydney apart from Gulden have nothing else we would need.


Logan McDonald is a gun.

Missed all of 2025 due to injury.

Kicked 32 goals in his third year and 37 in his fourth.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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I'd take Conor O'Sullivan and their first round pick for Charlie.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Carlton get: Mitch Lewis, pick 8, Sydney future first
Hawthorn get: Christian Petracca
Sydney get: Charlie Curnow
Melbourne get: pick 9, 27, Hawthorn future first


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2025 10:58 am 
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
Carlton get: Mitch Lewis, pick 8, Sydney future first
Hawthorn get: Christian Petracca
Sydney get: Charlie Curnow
Melbourne get: pick 9, 27, Hawthorn future first

Decent deal for us except I think we would be looking to get rid of pick #8 in case it gets used up on an early Dean bid - same for our TDK compo.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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If the tail is unhappy with the dog then tough, we need to smash this sense of entitlement the players have. I think Charlie is too immature to have it permanently affect his performance, once we start winning he will fall in line


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Carlton swingman Brodie Kemp will lock in a two-year extension, taking him through to end of 2027 when he will hit free agency. Another year for Nick Haynes also about done.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2025 1:01 pm 
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Carlton swingman Brodie Kemp will lock in a two-year extension, taking him through to end of 2027 when he will hit free agency. Another year for Nick Haynes also about done.
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Humpers wrote:
Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
Carlton get: Mitch Lewis, pick 8, Sydney future first
Hawthorn get: Christian Petracca
Sydney get: Charlie Curnow
Melbourne get: pick 9, 27, Hawthorn future first

Decent deal for us except I think we would be looking to get rid of pick #8 in case it gets used up on an early Dean bid - same for our TDK compo.


You can't trade away early picks in case an early bid comes on Dean. What are you going to use to get Dean? Mars Bar wrappers?

The system has changed. You only get points on the top 54 picks. We only have two of them worth a total of 527. If Dean gets bid on around 8 that is 1443 points. Where are the points going to come from unless you use the TDK compo bid?

Don't trade away good picks for average players. Use good picks on good players and all will be well.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2025 1:25 pm 
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malbi wrote:
Humpers wrote:
Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
Carlton get: Mitch Lewis, pick 8, Sydney future first
Hawthorn get: Christian Petracca
Sydney get: Charlie Curnow
Melbourne get: pick 9, 27, Hawthorn future first

Decent deal for us except I think we would be looking to get rid of pick #8 in case it gets used up on an early Dean bid - same for our TDK compo.


You can't trade away early picks in case an early bid comes on Dean. What are you going to use to get Dean? Mars Bar wrappers?

The system has changed. You only get points on the top 54 picks. We only have two of them worth a total of 527. If Dean gets bid on around 8 that is 1443 points. Where are the points going to come from unless you use the TDK compo bid?
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Hopefully we get a generous free agency compensation for JSOS plus I think we should try to obtain a 2nd rounder this year as part of any trade negotiations.
For example we could maybe trade our TDK compensation to Gold Coast for their 2nd rounder this year and first rounder next year. They will likely struggle to obtain enough points for their 3 academy prospects this year so our TDK compo would be worth a lot to them. There are many ways to skin a cat but this is just one possible scenario.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2025 1:51 pm 
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Humpers wrote:
malbi wrote:
Humpers wrote:
Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
Carlton get: Mitch Lewis, pick 8, Sydney future first
Hawthorn get: Christian Petracca
Sydney get: Charlie Curnow
Melbourne get: pick 9, 27, Hawthorn future first

Decent deal for us except I think we would be looking to get rid of pick #8 in case it gets used up on an early Dean bid - same for our TDK compo.


You can't trade away early picks in case an early bid comes on Dean. What are you going to use to get Dean? Mars Bar wrappers?

The system has changed. You only get points on the top 54 picks. We only have two of them worth a total of 527. If Dean gets bid on around 8 that is 1443 points. Where are the points going to come from unless you use the TDK compo bid?
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Hopefully we get a generous free agency compensation for JSOS plus I think we should try to obtain a 2nd rounder this year as part of any trade negotiations.
For example we could maybe trade our TDK compensation to Gold Coast for their 2nd rounder this year and first rounder next year. They will likely struggle to obtain enough points for their 3 academy prospects this year so our TDK compo would be worth a lot to them. There are many ways to skin a cat but this is just one possible scenario.
Gold Coast's second rounder is Pick 30. You will need JSOS' compo pick plus Pick 30 to get Dean. Gold Coast's future first may be Pick 18.

I say use TDK's compo pick on Dean. Who cares if someone bids on him? We use the TDK compo pick to match and a little bit from the JSOS compo pick if needed and he's ours. Then our JSOS compo pick will be in the range of 12-15 (if band 1) or 18-21 (if band 2) and we get a second top 20 player. We need quality players now even if they're young. We don't want to push them out further.

The best way to get quality players is top picks through the draft. It's been proven over the years.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2025 2:07 pm 
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tap in 79 wrote:
MPH78 wrote:
Charlie and his manager really endearing themselves with the Carlton faithful.

Like I’ve said previously, they can both GAGF.

Unless we get WAY overs, no trade.


Yeah the manager obviously spoke directly to Carolyn Wilson.

Last night she was basically quoting what appeared to be verbatim info from the manager.
"He is unhappy. My understanding is that he's desperate to get out of the football club. Exit interview didn't go well I think Coleman Medals might have been mentioned in a negative way."

Then Kane asks
"Did he say he played for Coleman Medals?"

And Caro pulls back from basically divulging too much.
"No I don't know what exactly was said" (is that a lie?)

Look, harshy harshy, meany, meany words were said with about 10,000 times the venom when Walls or Barassi was the coach. How did the players cope then?


Caros performance on footy classified or whatever its called was a car crash and seriously undermines he legitimacy as a sports journalist.

She was "Its my understanding, my belief, I understand that.....". The the kicker you mention, "I don't know what was said"....

What a disaster! There was absolutely nothing of substance in what she said and certainly no legitimate source/s to back up. Its was just her blabbing stuff to get views and get other nuff nuff journos to write up puff pieces claiming its fact.

Don't we just love this time of year? The silly season.

Charlie might have had a sook - so what. I will take Voss at face value on his presser on this. I also am certain they put a firm rocket up his arse to "suck it up" and get his shit together.

Carlton hold all the cards here. I can't see a deal unless its somebody willing to sell the farm and then some.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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tap in 79 wrote:
MPH78 wrote:
Charlie and his manager really endearing themselves with the Carlton faithful.

Like I’ve said previously, they can both GAGF.

Unless we get WAY overs, no trade.


Yeah the manager obviously spoke directly to Carolyn Wilson.

Last night she was basically quoting what appeared to be verbatim info from the manager.
"He is unhappy. My understanding is that he's desperate to get out of the football club. Exit interview didn't go well I think Coleman Medals might have been mentioned in a negative way."

Then Kane asks
"Did he say he played for Coleman Medals?"

And Caro pulls back from basically divulging too much.
"No I don't know what exactly was said" (is that a lie?)

Look, harshy harshy, meany, meany words were said with about 10,000 times the venom when Walls or Barassi was the coach. How did the players cope then?


Caros performance on footy classified or whatever its called was a car crash and seriously undermines her legitimacy as a sports journalist.

She was "Its my understanding, my belief, I understand that.....". The the kicker you mention, "I don't know what was said"....

What a disaster! There was absolutely nothing of substance in what she said and certainly no legitimate source/s to back up. Its was just her blabbing stuff to get views and get other nuff nuff journos to write up puff pieces claiming its fact.

Don't we just love this time of year? The silly season.

Charlie might have had a sook - so what. I will take Voss at face value on his presser on this. I also am certain they put a firm rocket up his arse to "suck it up" and get his shit together.

Carlton hold all the cards here. I can't see a deal unless its somebody willing to sell the farm and then some.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2025 2:34 pm 
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Humpers wrote:
Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
Carlton get: Mitch Lewis, pick 8, Sydney future first
Hawthorn get: Christian Petracca
Sydney get: Charlie Curnow
Melbourne get: pick 9, 27, Hawthorn future first

Decent deal for us except I think we would be looking to get rid of pick #8 in case it gets used up on an early Dean bid - same for our TDK compo.



Mitch Lewis has a lot of ability but he's made from the same DNA as Caleb Marchbank.
Averages less than 10 games per season. 4 last year, 6 so far this year. Nothing is more certain than the bloke will fall over again at any time.
We sold most of our perennially injured players last year. Let's not re-stock. If Curnow goes, it has to be for someone substantial.
Sydney have the currency and players to do the deal if they want it. Let them get creative.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2025 2:46 pm 
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malbi wrote:
Humpers wrote:
malbi wrote:
Humpers wrote:
Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
Carlton get: Mitch Lewis, pick 8, Sydney future first
Hawthorn get: Christian Petracca
Sydney get: Charlie Curnow
Melbourne get: pick 9, 27, Hawthorn future first

Decent deal for us except I think we would be looking to get rid of pick #8 in case it gets used up on an early Dean bid - same for our TDK compo.


You can't trade away early picks in case an early bid comes on Dean. What are you going to use to get Dean? Mars Bar wrappers?

The system has changed. You only get points on the top 54 picks. We only have two of them worth a total of 527. If Dean gets bid on around 8 that is 1443 points. Where are the points going to come from unless you use the TDK compo bid?
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Hopefully we get a generous free agency compensation for JSOS plus I think we should try to obtain a 2nd rounder this year as part of any trade negotiations.
For example we could maybe trade our TDK compensation to Gold Coast for their 2nd rounder this year and first rounder next year. They will likely struggle to obtain enough points for their 3 academy prospects this year so our TDK compo would be worth a lot to them. There are many ways to skin a cat but this is just one possible scenario.
Gold Coast's second rounder is Pick 30. You will need JSOS' compo pick plus Pick 30 to get Dean. Gold Coast's future first may be Pick 18.

I say use TDK's compo pick on Dean. Who cares if someone bids on him? We use the TDK compo pick to match and a little bit from the JSOS compo pick if needed and he's ours. Then our JSOS compo pick will be in the range of 12-15 (if band 1) or 18-21 (if band 2) and we get a second top 20 player. We need quality players now even if they're young. We don't want to push them out further.

The best way to get quality players is top picks through the draft. It's been proven over the years.

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OK fair enough but remember we also have the Lions 2nd rounder this year to help get the points for Dean. Also from what I can gather this years draft is pretty weak so maybe we could just worry about getting Dean this year (and maybe Ison etc) and focus more on getting picks in 2027. With the new points system I wonder how much advantage clubs will gain through having father son prospects unless they are generational talents like Nick Daicos.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2025 3:41 pm 
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OK fair enough but remember we also have the Lions 2nd rounder this year to help get the points for Dean. Also from what I can gather this years draft is pretty weak so maybe we could just worry about getting Dean this year (and maybe Ison etc) and focus more on getting picks in 2027. With the new points system I wonder how much advantage clubs will gain through having father son prospects unless they are generational talents like Nick Daicos.


The Lions second rounder is Pick 34 currently. If you use those points for Dean what points will you use for Ison? The next pick we have is Pick 44. Who knows where Ison goes?

The new points system makes it harder for clubs to use the points from lower picks to get high draft players. Look at the Gold Coast. They have picks 6, 12 and 15 currently so that they can get their academy players and they still don't have enough points. They are not trading away their high picks because someone might bid on their academy players. On the contrary they are trying to get as many high picks that they can to match the bids.

You can't match high bids with low picks anymore. It doesn't work. That's why it is foolish for the AFL to moot further changes when these ones haven't even gone through one cycle yet. Gold Coast are ready though.

As for the quality of the draft who would really know? There will always be quality at the top end of the draft.

If we get Dean and one of Greeves/Ludowyke/Dovaston we will be getting quality now that will push for selection straight away. Smith would have played ones this year, but for his ACL. Yet the Camporeales spent the majority of the year in the twos (not saying they won't be great, but they might take some time).

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2025 4:30 pm 
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With Kemp & Haynes expected to put pen to paper, we’re left with just Motlop & McGovern as the only primary-listed players still unsigned.

Currently five vacancies on the primary list, if we go with the minimum 36 again. Max is 38.

Dean & Ison will fill two of those vacancies.
At least one mature ruckman.
At least one tall utility.
At least one mid.

Tend to agree with Bondi that we’ve got too many kids… but, if we can come away from the draft with our blokes, plus Xavier Taylor & Fred Rodriguez, we may never lose again.

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