We spend so much time on here talking about mental toughness and demanding our players harden up, then in the next breath we're applauding a player for giving stinky face to the mean old coach when he gets hauled for under performance. Frankly I don't care whether Voss made the right decision or not, it's his decision and players need to cop it.

Sounds like the recent Socceroos v Japan game. One own goal each.

Something that should’ve been sorted out over time.

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It seems odd that the narrative around trading 34 was that we expected it to get consumed in a BC bid, yet now we’ve traded for 38.

I wonder what the rationale around not wanting future picks was.

Was he hauled for his under performance or the coach’s? Having TDK as a sub is the issue

We can still trade picks until (just before) the national draft.
I’m pretty sure we’ll do more before then.


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Agree with this.
Also agree about not being sentimental re Camporeale twins but in this situation I think Ben is worth a 2nd round pick (and we get at a discount so definitely worth it) and by the time Lucas comes up the difference between him and another kid will be marginal unless there’s a James Hird lurking that deep in the draft so we are better off picking the boy we know well.


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As I said, it's the coach's job to make the call, and the player's job to accept it even if they disagree. Or are we now OK with players undermining the coach on national TV? How do you reckon that'll work out?

Kennedy hauled for the coachs under performance. Ummmm he is not out there making us lose 60 Nil.

Do you actually think Voss wants to lose. He is a winner.

Not saying he is a good coach or anything, but ultimately its on the players to kicks straight, run, chase, tackle and compete.

At this club the coach is always blamed. Im sorry not copping it this time.

Kennedy has the build and the experience to make an impact.

Go and rewatch games this year, and watch him chase players. Like half heartedly. We cant keep on going like this.

Poor Cripps is busting his chops. I will give Walsh a pass due to injuries, but he will need to perform next year.

This Kennedy angst is really unreal to be honest. We are lucky we got a 2nd round for him, but im sure Austin is smart enough to use it fruitfully in some way. He has shown this trade period at least, he knows what he is doing.

Kennedy only has himself to blame for being at a 3rd club.

Yes he is a nice guy, yes he can kick a goal, yes he is durable.

But do you want us to be mid road, or to elevate into something better ??

You must say at least this club has moved with the times this year. It may or may not pay off. But we are trying.

We need some KPPs now as DFA or rookies.

But we have more running options now. Binns, Wilson, The Campos, pick 3 ([providing we pick well), the holland boys can only get better.

AFL is now a running transition game. We cant carry the same slow players. You saw against Hawthorn, they absolutely burned us with run and carry and we couldnt compete.

Enough of poor Kennedy - he will be fine. Owies will be fine in the Perth sunshine.

We did the right thing. Damned if we do and damned if we dont.

And yes a coach must be respected at least publicly. Go and have your disagreements behind closed doors. If Kennedy was smashing it, there is not way Voss would have pulled him. Now cmon.....

Not really. Kennedy is 27. Those guys are all 30+


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Stringer and mccrae are premiership players. And are so much much better players than Kennedy. Game changing even now in their 30's.

Cant compare Kennedy and those two. Forget about character, just as pure footballers.

From The Age.

Draft review.

1. Carlton
In: Nick Haynes (GWS/free agency), picks 3, 38, 63 and 68 and a future second-rounder (tied to Brisbane)
Out: Picks 12, 34, 66, Matt Kennedy (Western Bulldogs/trade), Matt Owies (West Coast/trade) and future first- and second-rounders
Draft picks: 3, 38, 63, 68, 69, 72
Trade grade: A

This was an aggressive trade period from the Blues, who reshaped their list to make it more dynamic, freed up some salary cap space and gathered draft points to match bids on father-son twins Ben and Lucas Camporeale. They shocked the football world by convincing Hawthorn to part with pick 14 for future first- and second-rounder, which gave Carlton picks 12 and 14. They then packaged those with out-of-contract forward Owies and nabbed the Eagles’ prized pick three, putting them squarely in the frame for highly rated midfielder Finn O’Sullivan. The Blues met with Dan Houston but always felt Collingwood were in a stronger position in that race. They also offloaded contracted midfielder Kennedy for pick 38, while retaining swingman Brodie Kemp after the Saints showed interest.

Regards Cazzesman

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Nah, you’re right. I’d much rather see a player sit there and smile rather than be filthy.

As for undermining the coach, when the team’s down 60 points to nil, I reckon Kennedy’s reactions are the least of his worries. It was Voss’ incompetence that created the situation.

I can understand a bloke being shitty in the moment. Dragging it out for the whole game wasn't a good look, especially when we were playing far better after the sub. But in the aftermath you'd hope the player would accept that snarling at the coach for an hour on TV want a good look. And I despair that our supporters would applaud such petulance and even carrying it on to exit interviews and beyond.

C'mon, going down 60-0 can't be entirely due to selection/coaching.
A team of professional footballers can't manage so much as a minor score while their opponent get's a 10 goal lead? Spare me.

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I’m happy for both Kennedy and Owies, both will extend their careers. Both were solid foot soldiers, which with the composition of our list are critical.

My issue with Voss in relation to this game is his inability to prepare the side. He’s accountable, maybe not responsible, but as head coach accountable, for how we perform. Did that side look ready to go? That was the worst coaching performance I’ve seen.

100 % GX . Agree it was a bad look and I am definitely not defending Kennedys actions on that day . Like I said mate , first time I have seen anything like that from Kennedy . No way is he a prima donna . I just don't want Kennedys name dragged down for one uncharacteristacly bad moment . Cut him a bit of slack . Who hasn't faaarked up at least once in our life ?

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To be fair, when you factor in TdK as the sub and then subbing out a versatile mid/fwd instead of a more one dimensional player type, Kennedy's reaction on the bench was all of us.

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Putting the reaction on the bench in the EF aside, for me the main thing with Kennedy is we have to move on from the Cripps-Hewett-Kennedy days & be more agile & quick through the midfield. Pretty good player but we move on.

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One other thing - the Hawks traded their own futures for Barrass, not ours.

They clearly don't rate us

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Yep.
Kennedy is a great clubman, but as a footballer in this age, he's too slow and not agile enough.
He's better suited to the Dogs who already have good depth in speed and agility.
I think pick 38 is a great get for him.
Austin has done well so far this trade period.