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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2025 10:53 am 
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Some food for thought.



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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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Other RFAs next year.
Fritsch
Ben King
Khamis
Lynch (yeah I know)
....among others.


Alistair?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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jake_h03 wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Other RFAs next year.
Fritsch
Ben King
Khamis
Lynch (yeah I know)
....among others.


Alistair?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2025 1:19 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
Crusader wrote:
The Best 23

B: Cowan Weitering Haynes
HB: Florent Dean Newman
C: Hollands Cripps Cottrell
R: Pittonet Hewett Smith
HF: Hayward Kemp Walsh
F: Ainsworth McKay Williams
I: Carroll Saad O’Keeffe Cerra Moir

That’s not so bad. Way more motion in the front half & enough defenders if Vossy wants to set that high line that he loves.

And, just for good measure…


The Rest 23

B: Boyd L.Young Charleson
HB: Wilson <SSP> L.Camporeale
C: Acres Lord Chesser
R: Reidy Ison B.Camporeale
HF: Binns Duffy Evans
F: Fogarty <SSP> Motlop
I: O’Farrell Monahan <ND> <ND> <CatB>

McGovern, Hollands, White & F.Young all gone.
O’Farrell to the LTI. Take your time lad. We need the spot.
2x mature bookends to trial over summer.
2x mids in the draft with Dean & Ison.
1x Cat. B (indigenous) on the league’s dollar.


Good post. A few random comments:

* Weitering, L.Young & HoF (LTI) are the only key defenders on our list. The other options (Dean, Haynes, Cowan, M.Carroll) are not suited to the body-on-body against 195+cm forwards. Dean might be eventually, but not yet. I hope we target depth in that position in the SSP. I would be going for a mature age player who can provide depth for a couple of years while HoF recovers/develops. Charlie Dean, Sam Frost, Jacob Blight, Ethan Phillips are the types I would invite to training.


Absolutely, a full-grown man required for the defensive post. I think O’Farrell HAS to go on LTI early to open up the spot. It’ll be a bit jarring for him, but his head is 100% screwed on right. A mid season trip to the US would be good for him. Take some big swings and throw a bit of weight on.

I’d add Wade Derksen to your list of candidates. He’s ready to take his shot at either end.

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* Give McGovern a one year contract to give us depth in attack. If Kemp goes down again, McGovern wouldn’t be the worst option to have in reserve.

I think we just have to move on. I won’t have any ill will for the bloke. He got injured, then [REDACTED] up. Maybe he was the driving force, maybe the piss poor HP culture swallowed him up. I don’t know. But, he copped a significant whack & got to work making good on his mistake.

We’re going with Kemp, Moir & now Ison in his spot. If he wants to be the dirt-cheap SSP rookie deal back up, he’s welcome to try.

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* Cottrell, Kemp, Newman and Smith will be like new recruits for us. I wonder if Newman will be based in defence or the wing?

Bit of both, I’d say. I think the added run will give Vossy the opening to play that aggressive press that he likes. I thought it was good footy over the last few years, but the midfield plodders let us down when the opposition got wise.

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* If we have to cut a contracted player, I would rather it be Binns or Boyd than E.Hollands. We obviously don’t know the full story, but I would be very disappointed in the club’s professionalism if we’re moving EH out the door because he’s unpopular with a certain higher profile teammate (as rumoured). Based on on-field performance (which is what matters most ultimately), EH is well ahead of Binns & Boyd in my opinion. Unless EH is in legal trouble again, I really hope we honour his contract. Handcuff him to Boak over the summer.

Maybe… I think I’m leaning to no. I just keep circling around to the fact that we’ve been the wokest, softly-softly mindfulness above all else club in living memory, and he’s still [REDACTED] up. If it’s not the drugs, it’s the drink. If not the drink, it’s something else… If the new regime think he can come around, sure. Make it work.

I’d rather we try and forge what remains.

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* White & F.Young are a bit unlucky but unfortunately I think they have to be moved on. If it’s a choice between the two, I’d lean towards keeping F.Young.

I’d love to see them both retained, but it’d require two of Binns, Fogarty or Boyd to be shown the door and all three are a net loss for the type of culture we’re trying to instill.

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* I would be cutting my losses with the Irish lads.

The other avenue to retaining both White & Young?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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What about that big penguin, Mason Cox up at FF so Harry can play CHF?
Good tall target, can bring the ball to the ground.
Also can snag a couple and can ruck if needed.
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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Sidefx wrote:
What about that big penguin, Mason Cox up at FF so Harry can play CHF?
Good tall target, can bring the ball to the ground.
Also can snag a couple and can ruck if needed.
Any takers?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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Blue Vain wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
What about that big penguin, Mason Cox up at FF so Harry can play CHF?
Good tall target, can bring the ball to the ground.
Also can snag a couple and can ruck if needed.
Any takers?


I'd rather dip my balls in sulphuric acid.

For hair removal?
I think there might be safer ways if so. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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I'ds rather dip his (BV's) balls in sulphuric acid - twice

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I'd rather dip his (BV's) balls in sulfuric acid - twice

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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* Give McGovern a one year contract to give us depth in attack. If Kemp goes down again, McGovern wouldn’t be the worst option to have in reserve.

I think we just have to move on. I won’t have any ill will for the bloke. He got injured, then [REDACTED] up. Maybe he was the driving force, maybe the piss poor HP culture swallowed him up. I don’t know. But, he copped a significant whack & got to work making good on his mistake.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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Apparently (via BF) there may be concerns about Kemp's recovery.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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I'd rather dip his (BV's) balls in sulfuric acid - twice


So much so, that he said it twice.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2025 9:20 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
Crusader wrote:

aboynamedsue wrote:
* Give McGovern a one year contract to give us depth in attack. If Kemp goes down again, McGovern wouldn’t be the worst option to have in reserve.

I think we just have to move on. I won’t have any ill will for the bloke. He got injured, then [REDACTED] up. Maybe he was the driving force, maybe the piss poor HP culture swallowed him up. I don’t know. But, he copped a significant whack & got to work making good on his mistake.


What's all this, then?

When he earned the name Brackets & got sent to fat camp.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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GreatEx wrote:
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/the-quote-you-might-have-missed-that-says-everything-about-carlton-s-post-curnow-era-20251016-p5n328.html

Ah, this one! Thanks


Can you give us a summary of the salient points ?
Curious.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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Blue Vain wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
What about that big penguin, Mason Cox up at FF so Harry can play CHF?
Good tall target, can bring the ball to the ground.
Also can snag a couple and can ruck if needed.
Any takers?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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bondiblue wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/the-quote-you-might-have-missed-that-says-everything-about-carlton-s-post-curnow-era-20251016-p5n328.html

Ah, this one! Thanks


Can you give us a summary of the salient points ?
Curious.


The article outlines how Carlton Football Club has entered a transformative phase following the departure of star forward Charlie Curnow, marking the beginning of what is described as the “post‑Curnow era.”

### Carlton’s Trade Period and Curnow’s Exit
Carlton’s trade summary avoided glorifying Curnow, with only a brief acknowledgment of his decade-long contribution before his move to Sydney. His blockbuster trade brought in three first‑round picks and forward Will Hayward, surpassing even GWS’s return for Jeremy Cameron. The club emphasized a desire for players genuinely committed to representing Carlton, signalling a cultural shift away from depending on individual stars.

### Player Departures and New Recruits
Alongside Curnow, Tom De Koning, Jack Silvagni, and Corey Durdin also left, lured by lucrative deals elsewhere. To rebuild, the Blues recruited Will Hayward, Ben Ainsworth, Campbell Chesser, Ollie Florent, and Liam Reidy—four of whom were once first‑round picks. Carlton retained only 16 of the 23 players from their 2023 preliminary‑final side, underlining how extensive the turnover has been.

### A “Refresh,” Not a Rebuild
List boss Nick Austin described Carlton’s strategy as a “refresh,” not a reset—betting on faster, bolder footy and immediate impact from incoming players. Key young talents such as Jagga Smith, recovering from an ACL injury, and emerging prospects Harry Dean and Cody Walker underline the club’s faith in youth. Walker, considered a future top draft pick, has already pledged to join Carlton under father‑son rules.

### Draft Strength and Future Stakes
Carlton now holds six first‑round picks across the next three drafts—an unrivalled asset in the AFL—though new league rules could affect how these can be used to match bids. The club’s recruiting team faces immense pressure to turn this draft treasure into genuine premiership‑quality talent.

### Michael Voss and Leadership Pressure
Coach Michael Voss remains under scrutiny after admitting he “fell short” as a leader in 2025. Though new CEO Graham Wright opted to keep him for now, Voss must prove progress in 2026 amid lower expectations following Curnow’s departure. With figures like Harry McKay, Patrick Cripps, Sam Walsh, Jacob Weitering, George Hewett, and Adam Cerra still on board, Carlton’s core remains strong—but the club’s direction hinges on turning this “new era” into sustained, tangible improvement.

In essence, the article highlights a symbolic break from the Curnow era, driven by a sharpened internal culture, a refreshed list strategy, and pressure on leadership to deliver results under a new identity.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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Sidefx wrote:
What about that big penguin, Mason Cox up at FF so Harry can play CHF?
Good tall target, can bring the ball to the ground.
Also can snag a couple and can ruck if needed.
Any takers?


I will take him if there’s no one else for the KPF role, otherwise it’s OKeefe and Young.

We MUST focus on recruiting imo 3 genuine KP sized players to ensure we have at least one good one. Ie form is fickle.

Forget White and Young
Forget Hollands and Gov
Forget Fog Binns and Boyd

We have plenty of cover for them.

I don’t trust Lij or Gov, but prefer those 2 for forward depth than anymore kids. I don’t mind them fighting for a spot and their reputation in the VFL. The others won’t be missed, nor likely to get a game in the seniors unless injury derails us to open a spot for them.

My gut feel is we can do with the Weiters Liam Jones combo now Liam is a DFA and indigenous ( great thinking Crusader)

I’d also add Philips or better for more KPD depth, and Young could be KPF depth. My gut feeling is Cox is more dangerous forward than Young, but there has to heaps of KPFs we can invite from WAFL SAFL VFL DFA.

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sinbagger wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/the-quote-you-might-have-missed-that-says-everything-about-carlton-s-post-curnow-era-20251016-p5n328.html

Ah, this one! Thanks


Can you give us a summary of the salient points ?
Curious.


The article outlines how Carlton Football Club has entered a transformative phase following the departure of star forward Charlie Curnow, marking the beginning of what is described as the “post‑Curnow era.”

### Carlton’s Trade Period and Curnow’s Exit
Carlton’s trade summary avoided glorifying Curnow, with only a brief acknowledgment of his decade-long contribution before his move to Sydney. His blockbuster trade brought in three first‑round picks and forward Will Hayward, surpassing even GWS’s return for Jeremy Cameron. The club emphasized a desire for players genuinely committed to representing Carlton, signalling a cultural shift away from depending on individual stars.

### Player Departures and New Recruits
Alongside Curnow, Tom De Koning, Jack Silvagni, and Corey Durdin also left, lured by lucrative deals elsewhere. To rebuild, the Blues recruited Will Hayward, Ben Ainsworth, Campbell Chesser, Ollie Florent, and Liam Reidy—four of whom were once first‑round picks. Carlton retained only 16 of the 23 players from their 2023 preliminary‑final side, underlining how extensive the turnover has been.

### A “Refresh,” Not a Rebuild
List boss Nick Austin described Carlton’s strategy as a “refresh,” not a reset—betting on faster, bolder footy and immediate impact from incoming players. Key young talents such as Jagga Smith, recovering from an ACL injury, and emerging prospects Harry Dean and Cody Walker underline the club’s faith in youth. Walker, considered a future top draft pick, has already pledged to join Carlton under father‑son rules.

### Draft Strength and Future Stakes
Carlton now holds six first‑round picks across the next three drafts—an unrivalled asset in the AFL—though new league rules could affect how these can be used to match bids. The club’s recruiting team faces immense pressure to turn this draft treasure into genuine premiership‑quality talent.

### Michael Voss and Leadership Pressure
Coach Michael Voss remains under scrutiny after admitting he “fell short” as a leader in 2025. Though new CEO Graham Wright opted to keep him for now, Voss must prove progress in 2026 amid lower expectations following Curnow’s departure. With figures like Harry McKay, Patrick Cripps, Sam Walsh, Jacob Weitering, George Hewett, and Adam Cerra still on board, Carlton’s core remains strong—but the club’s direction hinges on turning this “new era” into sustained, tangible improvement.

In essence, the article highlights a symbolic break from the Curnow era, driven by a sharpened internal culture, a refreshed list strategy, and pressure on leadership to deliver results under a new identity.



Thanks Sinners

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