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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 6:24 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
Did we ever hit 60-0 under Pagan? I feel like we must have


Wasn’t that our win-loss record??


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 6:45 pm 
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bender wrote:
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Something aint right in Denmark .



of this, we can be certain of. there's a disconnect, or some raging incompetence going on somewhere in the club.

the clueless faces among the coaches in the qtr-time huddle is something burned into my brain.


i've been on this train of thought for a few weeks now

this seems to happen quite a lot with this club. i'm sure it happens with other clubs too, but i dont care about those

something just feels 'off'.

i think in a year or two it will come out that there was player unrest, frustration at something / someone / game plan, or there were factions again in the locker room

Or simply frustrated we had 3 or 4 changes a week for the back half of the year.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 8:15 pm 
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Bridge built...just looked at Round 15 side that flogged Geelong. Out: Fog, Cinc, Charlie, Boyd, Owies. In : Pitt, Doc , Young, Motlop, Cerra. Don't know what it all means but ball would not have come out of our forward line as easily as it did on Saturday.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 8:54 pm 
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Yup….

just Cinc…Boyd…Fog and Owies…we have a lot
of speed and tackle power right there…!


kindest regards tommi





Who doesn’t love tackle power…!

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 11:46 pm 
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bender wrote:
Braithy wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Something aint right in Denmark .



of this, we can be certain of. there's a disconnect, or some raging incompetence going on somewhere in the club.

the clueless faces among the coaches in the qtr-time huddle is something burned into my brain.


i've been on this train of thought for a few weeks now

this seems to happen quite a lot with this club. i'm sure it happens with other clubs too, but i dont care about those

something just feels 'off'.

i think in a year or two it will come out that there was player unrest, frustration at something / someone / game plan, or there were factions again in the locker room


The rot started when Cerra and Cottrell walked straight back into the side as though they’re the second coming of prime Judd and Cousins. Dropping Hewett, Kennedy etc. as sub or even completely omitted - of course that’s gonna create factions and unrest.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2024 9:23 am 
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CK95 wrote:
Agree with a lot of that Sidey

I'm already getting concerned about the Tasmania effect. Already a bit envious of Richmond's draft hand

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And apparently this is the draft to have a good hand.
Deep into the second round there should be good talent.
We only have picks 11 and 31 in the first 3 rounds with 2 father-sons to pick up.
Hopefully we get something for Martin and we manage to trade out some players, even a player with value if we can.
Another first rounder would be great or early second at least.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2024 9:27 am 
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Sidefx wrote:
CK95 wrote:
Agree with a lot of that Sidey

I'm already getting concerned about the Tasmania effect. Already a bit envious of Richmond's draft hand

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And apparently this is the draft to have a good hand.
Deep into the second round there should be good talent.
We only have picks 11 and 31 in the first 3 rounds with 2 father-sons to pick up.
Hopefully we get something for Martin and we manage to trade out some players, even a player with value if we can.
Another first rounder would be great or early second at least.


Maybe GC will want to shift one of this years into next. They’ve got 3.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2024 9:47 am 
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DesEnglish wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
CK95 wrote:
Agree with a lot of that Sidey

I'm already getting concerned about the Tasmania effect. Already a bit envious of Richmond's draft hand

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And apparently this is the draft to have a good hand.
Deep into the second round there should be good talent.
We only have picks 11 and 31 in the first 3 rounds with 2 father-sons to pick up.
Hopefully we get something for Martin and we manage to trade out some players, even a player with value if we can.
Another first rounder would be great or early second at least.


Maybe GC will want to shift one of this years into next. They’ve got 3.

They will have to give one up for Rioli, most likely pick 6.
They also have Leo Lombard who should go before our pick, but they do have 2 in the 2nd round at the moment as well.
They might give us Lukosius for sweet FA though.
Time for Austin to show his worth.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2024 11:00 am 
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eric pascoe wrote:
Bridge built...just looked at Round 15 side that flogged Geelong. Out: Fog, Cinc, Charlie, Boyd, Owies. In : Pitt, Doc , Young, Motlop, Cerra. Don't know what it all means but ball would not have come out of our forward line as easily as it did on Saturday.


I think TDK's 10/10 game was the main reason we won that game. So you can add 50%TDK time.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2024 11:02 am 
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tommi wrote:
Yup….

just Cinc…Boyd…Fog and Owies…we have a lot
of speed and tackle power right there…!


kindest regards tommi





Who doesn’t love tackle power…!


Pressure and contest.

We laid 42 tackles in a whole Finals game. FMD.
Those blokes would have helped improve that stat alone.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2024 11:05 am 
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Sidefx wrote:
DesEnglish wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
CK95 wrote:
Agree with a lot of that Sidey

I'm already getting concerned about the Tasmania effect. Already a bit envious of Richmond's draft hand

Sent from my moto g54 5G using Tapatalk

And apparently this is the draft to have a good hand.
Deep into the second round there should be good talent.
We only have picks 11 and 31 in the first 3 rounds with 2 father-sons to pick up.
Hopefully we get something for Martin and we manage to trade out some players, even a player with value if we can.
Another first rounder would be great or early second at least.


Maybe GC will want to shift one of this years into next. They’ve got 3.

They will have to give one up for Rioli, most likely pick 6.
They also have Leo Lombard who should go before our pick, but they do have 2 in the 2nd round at the moment as well.
They might give us Lukosius for sweet FA though.
Time for Austin to show his worth.


GCS will want to get rid of No 1 picks before Lombards selection.
Lucosius is on a back ended contract.
If we want him cheap, we have to fit him into the cap.
He'd be handy at CHB.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2024 5:40 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
DesEnglish wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
CK95 wrote:
Agree with a lot of that Sidey

I'm already getting concerned about the Tasmania effect. Already a bit envious of Richmond's draft hand

Sent from my moto g54 5G using Tapatalk

And apparently this is the draft to have a good hand.
Deep into the second round there should be good talent.
We only have picks 11 and 31 in the first 3 rounds with 2 father-sons to pick up.
Hopefully we get something for Martin and we manage to trade out some players, even a player with value if we can.
Another first rounder would be great or early second at least.


Maybe GC will want to shift one of this years into next. They’ve got 3.

They will have to give one up for Rioli, most likely pick 6.
They also have Leo Lombard who should go before our pick, but they do have 2 in the 2nd round at the moment as well.
They might give us Lukosius for sweet FA though.
Time for Austin to show his worth.


GCS will want to get rid of No 1 picks before Lombards selection.
Lucosius is on a back ended contract.
If we want him cheap, we have to fit him into the cap.
He'd be handy at CHB.


A replacement for McGovern? Is that an upgrade?


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2024 7:09 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
tommi wrote:
Yup….

just Cinc…Boyd…Fog and Owies…we have a lot
of speed and tackle power right there…!


kindest regards tommi





Who doesn’t love tackle power…!


Pressure and contest.

We laid 42 tackles in a whole Finals game. FMD.
Those blokes would have helped improve that stat alone.


the whole world could see we didn't select enough players who could and would apply pressure.

cincotta and lord would have helped to no end.

and selecting doc was just self indulgent and dumb.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2024 8:42 am 
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Traveller86 wrote:
bender wrote:
Braithy wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Something aint right in Denmark .



of this, we can be certain of. there's a disconnect, or some raging incompetence going on somewhere in the club.

the clueless faces among the coaches in the qtr-time huddle is something burned into my brain.


i've been on this train of thought for a few weeks now

this seems to happen quite a lot with this club. i'm sure it happens with other clubs too, but i dont care about those

something just feels 'off'.

i think in a year or two it will come out that there was player unrest, frustration at something / someone / game plan, or there were factions again in the locker room


The rot started when Cerra and Cottrell walked straight back into the side as though they’re the second coming of prime Judd and Cousins. Dropping Hewett, Kennedy etc. as sub or even completely omitted - of course that’s gonna create factions and unrest.


100% :thanks: :thanks: :thanks: :thanks: :thanks: :thanks: :thanks: :thanks: :thanks:

I've been saying for ages that something stunk in the locker room (and not just farts and BO) because of the Cerra Cotterel inclusion

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2024 9:19 am 
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sinbagger wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
DesEnglish wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
And apparently this is the draft to have a good hand.
Deep into the second round there should be good talent.
We only have picks 11 and 31 in the first 3 rounds with 2 father-sons to pick up.
Hopefully we get something for Martin and we manage to trade out some players, even a player with value if we can.
Another first rounder would be great or early second at least.


Maybe GC will want to shift one of this years into next. They’ve got 3.

They will have to give one up for Rioli, most likely pick 6.
They also have Leo Lombard who should go before our pick, but they do have 2 in the 2nd round at the moment as well.
They might give us Lukosius for sweet FA though.
Time for Austin to show his worth.


GCS will want to get rid of No 1 picks before Lombards selection.
Lucosius is on a back ended contract.
If we want him cheap, we have to fit him into the cap.
He'd be handy at CHB.


A replacement for McGovern? Is that an upgrade?

In the backline he'd be a replacement for Kemp I'd have thought.
Can go forward and can play wing.
Maybe GCS could cover part of his salary (Grundy like deal), unlikely though given the deal they just gave Mac Andrew.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2024 11:47 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
season was lost after cats game. we smashed them and it was the best we looked in 2 decades. since then we've beaten only richmond, eagles and norf.

before the injuries derailed us, we started with the funky selections and then it all snowballed into this hell.

tonight was lost at selection table, we didn't turn up to play, were way too conservative with a forward behind the ball on the defensive side, and never gave ourselves a chance. played scared and never had any semblance of a game plan that was going to win a game of footy


i posted at the the time we hit second on the ladder that we didn’t feel like a legit top two side. i’ll be more careful what i say in the future!


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2024 12:07 am 
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blueianh wrote:
We were always up against it. Some of the selection decisions were puzzling especially Cincotta out and TDK as sub, but the preference for returning senior players over raw kids is understandable whether you agree with it or not. My beef was more with the selection of an obviously hindered Durdin and out of touch Motlop, and to an extent Fantasia although I get the attraction of his experience. So as an exercise in evaluating the extent to which MC decisions harmed our chances, given the injury list reality, I have looked at the team selected and looking at who didn't have a great game and who could have replaced them. For the purposes of the exercise simply rating the players as a pass at 50 fantasy points leaves these players short of the mark:
Durdin
Kennedy
Kemp
Williams
Cowan
Fantasia

Of those I would only have had Durdin and Fantasia out (and others who passed the 50 point mark), but for this exercise who could have replaced these players to better effect?

The 5 omissions Binns (3 games) Lord (2) Moir (2) Carroll Cincotta I suppose are in the mix and Martin was a "test" in the injury list so he might have been an option (I don't know) NO ONE else with senior experience was available. I think general consensus is omitting Cincotta was a mistake but the others are not clear upgrades or even capable of fulfilling the same roles.

Then there is the decision to play an extra defender - which I disagreed with but can understand the idea - and more significantly to allow them to have Zorko as their spare which was simply disasterous. Cincotta in would have given us a tagger for him, or another, Lord a mid with defensive intent, Moir and/or Martin some X-factor up front, Binns and Carroll options in the mids - but ultimately I can't see any combination making the difference.


when a team has scored 0-0-0 v 60 at two minutes to half time it’s a truly extraordinary occurence, as if designed by the footy gods themselves to send CFC a message. (to me it’s the AMPOL sponsorship but that’s just my deeply subjective yet principled view) .

and i hope the club codifies this embarrassment into a code word which can be uttered in its stead to mean “go to jail, do not collect feel good vibes as you pass september 2024. whatever this is a symptom of, it must be rectified before anything else can be addressed. it’s foundation level stuff.”

so you can say playing Carol, Cinc, Moir as a supersub for a start wouldn’t have been *enough*. but by the same token we can say that something was has been so rotten in Denmark in 2024 we clearly selected a team for an Elimination Final that was going to make us the laughing stock of the AFL in 2024. injuries or not, 0-0-0 by two minutes *before half time*. is as bad as it gets. the broadcast commentators were laughingly invoking a record set in 1908 for scoring no goals in the first half.

carlton have to study the entrails of this loss as a coaching group. it’s not enough to be deeply disappointed but in the other hand keen to learn from it and move on. that’s not learning. that’s going through the motions of wrote learning. that’s having lines ready for the journalists asking hard questions.

i think either the most of players didn’t turn up mentally (hard to believe) or the footy gods were against us for whateva reasons. karma in other words. Brisbane dominated from the first bounce even though it took a while for the dominance to show on the scoreboard. can’t think of one player who beat a direct opponent in the first half, other than Ollie possibly if he was on Lachie Neal (i’m guessing about that) Neal was quiet by his high standards in the first half. but he wasn’t needed given the team domination by Lions.

i’ve always rate the Lions list as being one of the best in AFL for sheer talent and players with ₓx-factor and versatility to positions and adapting to new game tactics. but they somehow don’t gel enough, in spite of going a kick short of a premiership in 2023.

but to not score for nearly two quarters is a message the Blues hiérarchy need to decipher. carefully and with wisdom.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2024 12:19 am 
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Traveller86 wrote:
bender wrote:
Braithy wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Something aint right in Denmark .



of this, we can be certain of. there's a disconnect, or some raging incompetence going on somewhere in the club.

the clueless faces among the coaches in the qtr-time huddle is something burned into my brain.


i've been on this train of thought for a few weeks now

this seems to happen quite a lot with this club. i'm sure it happens with other clubs too, but i dont care about those

something just feels 'off'.

i think in a year or two it will come out that there was player unrest, frustration at something / someone / game plan, or there were factions again in the locker room


The rot started when Cerra and Cottrell walked straight back into the side as though they’re the second coming of prime Judd and Cousins. Dropping Hewett, Kennedy etc. as sub or even completely omitted - of course that’s gonna create factions and unrest.



not that i disagree. was a bad selection decision both on principle and in hindsight. but i honestly can’t believe that we dropped the bundle against GWS in the second quarter simply because of that. no way. there’s more to this demise than one pair of entitlement picks to underdone players. even if it was symptomatic of deeper problems in our coaching and MC team. there’s no shortage of players from previous successful eras around the joint to be a sounding board on selection principles (e.g. never risk underdone or seriously injured players, never select on reputation over form etc etc). none of this is making any sense. hope we find out one day what’s going on and who’s laying cables in the swimming pool.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2024 9:06 am 
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I think we dropped our bundle during the GWS game mostly because we thought we’d done enough. Basically, we bought into the hype.
And then we rationalised it away because we were still 2nd with a buffer. And then we were still 2nd even though we’d lost the buffer. And, you know, we will just flick the switch when we really need to. And then we ‘should’ have beaten the dogs and whilst we scraped in against North, well, they’d been playing good footy.
And we can just flick the switch when we need to…

I sincerely hope that the whole team is laser focused on what happened in the first half against Brisbane. That pretty much encapsulates most of what our deficiencies are: game plan, on field performance, injuries/player mgt, selection, messaging, cohesion, psychology… everything!

As John Howard famously noted, you can’t fatten a pig on market day!

(I would also note that elite sportsmen should not muck around with other ball sports on game day! #mcGrath #Curnow)


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2024 9:18 am 
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I think we dropped our bundle during the GWS game mostly because we thought we’d done enough. Basically, we bought into the hype.
And then we rationalised it away because we were still 2nd with a buffer. And then we were still 2nd even though we’d lost the buffer. And, you know, we will just flick the switch when we really need to. And then we ‘should’ have beaten the dogs and whilst we scraped in against North, well, they’d been playing good footy.
And we can just flick the switch when we need to…

I sincerely hope that the whole team is laser focused on what happened in the first half against Brisbane. That pretty much encapsulates most of what our deficiencies are: game plan, on field performance, injuries/player mgt, selection, messaging, cohesion, psychology… everything!

As John Howard famously noted, you can’t fatten a pig on market day!

(I would also note that elite sportsmen should not muck around with other ball sports on game day! #mcGrath #Curnow)


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We dropped our bundle in the Giants game because
Charlie rolled his ankle pregame
TDK copping a knock spending most of the 2nd quarter on the bench
Weiters copping corky in 1st and didn't return until late in the 2nd and played game out sore
McGovern spending most of the 2nd quarter and part of the 3rd in the rooms being treated.

When they all got back on the park in the last we came home strong to only lose by 2 goals.

You can't have that much talent injured and sitting on the pine and expect to beat a top 4 side.
We out scored them 13 goals to 4 when they were all on the paddock

We got out scored 14 goals to 3 when they were mostly off field

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