The Irish kid that was supposed to be on the list already, but done an ACL. 190-something & runs like the wind. He played forward in the GAA.

I think he arrived in the last month or so & is finishing up his rehab at the club.

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so does everyone agree we need to land 193cm quick defender now after GWS game

Can't we just give Brodie Kemp some lifts?

Or invest in a rack?

He's nearly there...

ah. cheers Cru

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I reckon more like 2m. Even Weiters (195cm) isn't tall for a key defender, and Kemp & March are listed at 192 and 193, respectively. If we don't see Young (202) and S.Durdin (199) as part of the answer then I reckon we need to look at the tall end of the spectrum.

What Weitering lacks in height (and 195 is tall, but 10cm shorter than Harry McKay and more if comparing with Darcy at the Doggies. A player built with the strength and skills of Weiters is a Top 5 pick, if there is one. They don't grow on trees.

But I agree in the 200cm, like Liam Jones...shhhhh.

If its a rookie spot I think it would be a developing player with a lot of upside. Young is contracted and will do till a better player is found. If we want to make a space for the type we describe, I don't think Durdin will be retained.

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i was surprised to learn when i looked it up 193cm is 6'4" ... even more surprised to learn that's the exact height of lever & steven may

we need a second banana at the back. someone who can fill a void if weiters ever goes down. a lever to the steve may.

we also need a lightning fast, creative small forward. maybe draft a young speedy mid or two to develop, and we're just about set.


it's a shame we're at the salary cap ... would have been good to offer stengle from the cats a contract. i'm sure eddie could have put in a good word for us.

We all remember the dearth of small forwards at Carlton pre 2019, then in one blink we had Betts return to mentor Durdin (our first pick in the draft), and traded in first round draftee Fogarty from Geelong, and then Gibbons was selected as a supplementary pick. All of the sudden we had 3. We tried to turn Gibbons into a small, but he was a mid. Can't say we didnt have a shot to fill the gap.

Then we added Owies as a Cat B, and followed his selection and Honey with Olympics pedigree, picked him for his speed in the rookie draft. Why? Weren't we happy with 1 of the 3 we had picked?

Following year in 2021 our first selection was Motlop, after trading our 1st rounder for Cerra. And last year to top it off, Fantasia to bring experience and mentor our plethora of small forwards.

Now we have a stable of small forwards in Motlop, Durdin, Fogarty, Owies, Fantasia, and not one imo has the pace of Pickett, Stengle, Papley, there's heaps out there at other clubs...on Saturday night we saw the speed and nimbleness of a couple at GWS, and we couldn't lay a finger on them. ..you know where I'm coming from. We have not one speedy small forward. Of the lot, maybe Durdin is quick but he's not looking like the answer and goes missing.

I have to confess, I agree we still need a speedy small. Motlop looks to have put on a fair bit of upper body muscle over the big preseason he had, and from what I've seen, it hasn't helped him in the speed department. So frustrating.

As for talls, 193cm, is shorter than our midfielder Capt Cripps, and the trend has been to recruit big mids.

I reckon we need to measure arm length and reach if we start looking at 193 or the strength of May . Marchbank, and Plowman are 193. GWS are made of heaps around that height.

I'm in the keogh camp on this...if salary cap is stretched, there's got to be one playing in the WAFL, SANFL, VFL, VAFA, Geelong, the lower leagues, sand not cost us too much collateral.

Our picks next year are committed to Campo boys. Hopefully we can use our forst rounder on a tall KPD we can quickly develop.

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our smalls are quite dire tbh ... i was hoping we'd offer a pick for ginnivan, he's the exact kind of small we need. smart, a pest and really good on the ball, and even better off it.

i've wanted a small ever since the rankine draft, and wanted us to shuffle the board and find a way to get him and walsh. but the only way that could have happened was to not draft walsh.

durdin, motlop and owies aren't a complete small forward between them. they're serviceable, and owies is by far the best of them, and it looks like we paid pittonet and durdin the money we'd need just to keep him, let alone upgrade him.

it's frustrating.

these campo boys better be worth it. we have such a need for a small forward & another big key defender; getting another mid and winger into the mix seems like we're not hitting the right balance across the squad...

I agree re smalls are 'just' serviceable and the continued need. Some people go nuts about Motlop but he aint quick. Is accumulating a good highlights reel, and hope he's the best of the lot.

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That has been my concern too, FS can be a blessing and a curse, tilting more to the latter as Laura jacks up the price.

i am over this small forward / for me we need defenders quick hbf ,another tall and regarding campo boys yes they are good footballers hopefully we can get 1 of them with our second selection and keep our first pick.One question i would like to ask is if there surname was not campoerale what pick would they GO.

lol ... you're over the small forward talk? i don't s'pose you watched the very last grand final? the norm smith medal winning bobby hill owned the day? ever watch a guy like cyril rioli? these are the weapons that put a team over the top. and we don't have one single good one on our list, or coming thru. what we have is a bunch of undynamic, uncreative, slow smalls that are blue collar and try their best, but they're not getting it done.

meanwhile, you want to add to saad, newman, boyd, cowan, cincotta, zac, docherty, and the plethora of half back flankers we already have?

i read some wild stuff in here, but that's some of the wildest. at least we agree on needing another big banana at the back to replace marchbank & upgrade kemp with. imo that's our biggest need, and then small forward right behind that.

campo twins are adding to a big pool of wingers and mids, so they better be good/ worth it, bcos spending draft picks is vital when we're so hard against the cap.

unless we go beyond poorly in september and decide to move a big piece in a blockbuster trade (harry)

You read some wild stuff in here ? trade Harry ? that's wild .

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i think owies is coming on and getting better. but he isnt as fast as we need for a small forward. moir was a strange selection imo, i get why, but i would have gone for a kpd before moir.

to my mind, we need to get another kpd. lemmey is listed as one even though i thought he was a forward, and could be our ace (of spades...) but i have no idea on how he is tracking, so if anyone can let me know, that would be awesome

the ozkick kid has speed, but seems to have gone backwards this year and now he has done his shoulder. i do like the kid, but i wouldnt be heartbroken if he got traded out

we need a jeff garlett type - cheap and hungry. i'll never forget his steal against the suns in our first game against them

i'd also never trade harry. he has the anger and hunger that our other kpf sorely lacks at the moment.

we can let martin go, that should clear up some money, zac is doing his role and had stayed on the park

cunners and marchy surely have had their day, and sam durdin, if he doesnt replace weiters must surely go as well.

is jsos contracted for next year? as much as i love what he brings, he wont be any quicker after a knee reco - could we bump him to rookie list?

if binns cant crack a game this year, there must be question marks over his future

mirkov and akuei will not be afl players, so they will leave 2 spots, but i havent a clue about rookie lists any more

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Is it ever.

Cyril & Bobby are lighting in a bottle, but yeah, just pluck one in the draft.

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i'm just getting into the spirit of all things wild here, mick ... haha

if we say, don't finish top 4 and lose our only final game, or we go top 4 and go out in straight sets, and certain parts of the game aren't functioning, maybe we could replace harry up front with TDK, and run with a pittonet and tdk & Jack rucking combo next year, free up a million in cap on harry's contract and buy a 2nd banana at the back and a premium small forward, who might offer better team balance than having 3 competent tall forwards in tdk, harry and charles?

conversely if we win the flag as constructed, you don't change a thing and look to go back-to-back with the current mob.

Reckon we face that bridge IF we come to it Braithy . No good jumping at shadows . Small forwards is our issue I agree although they are serviceable at the moment .

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