i guess we find out tomoz arvy... if the ball is rebounding back past us 100 mile p/hr and up the other end for a score, we know the balance isn't right.


i'm probably alone here, but a fit and firing jack martin has been a better accomplice to Charlie than what Harry has been - where they do get in each other's way, far too much.

Daniher plays ruck for team balance, not because he’s a great ruckman. Which is why Harry should also play ruck.

ugh. *DEEP BREATH*

I'll talk slower.

I listed the 4 tall rucks and forwards as "Charlie, Harry, and Pittonet/TDK". Note the slash between Pittonet and TDK? Well that implies one will be forward while the other rucks, making it 3 talls in the forward line. You said Pitto would not be in the forward line much, so I changed it to just Charlie, Harry, TDK forward. Still 3 tall forwards and 1 ruck. Comprende?

I don't think 3 tall towers is a nightmare for opposition coaches. I think it's a gift. You lose to much once the ball hits the deck. Which is the vast majority of the time.

Charlie, Harry, TDK and Pittonet have not played in the same team ONCE in our 8 game winning streak. That is a fact. So we would be going away from the balance that has been extremely successful and reverting to a lineup that has not worked consistently. To me, that presents a risk.

I never said I thought we would lose to GC, I just want us to play our best lineup. We have 2 games before finals and it's crucial that we use these games to get as close as possible to what we want to put out there in September. Personally, I think they've got the balance wrong.

For me, we are better with TDK over Pitto in the ruck as much as possible as he can actually jump (Pitto can't get off the ground) and he offers so much more at ground level with his follow up work, tackles, clearances etc. Pitto is anonymous once the ball hits the deck. Over the past 8 weeks he has shown he is ready to play the number 1 ruck role and play 70-80% there.

And we are better with JSOS over both TDK and Pitto in the forward line because.. well its bloody obvious. He has actually proven he can be an effective forward target which the other two have not, and he provides far better forward pressure and is far better at ground level. I mean he was in career best form before he got injured and his last game was the best game he's ever played for the club. 19 touches, 4 goals, 4 tackles, 10 hitouts, 3 clearances, and a big fat 10 coaches votes in a clear BOG performance against the 2nd top team. Let's be honest, that's the kind of game Pitto could only dream of.

So IMO we improve in two positions - TDK in ruck and JSOS forward. JSOS just needs to play 5-8 mins per quarter in the ruck which he has proven he's more than capable of doing.

And I don't think I'm on my own. I think pretty much every poster on TC has now dropped Pitto from their best 22. I think you're in the minority on this one.

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The issue isn't Harry's inclusion. Harry has to play. The issue is retaining Pitto when Harry comes in

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spot on.

for daniher it's not about tapping to advantage, its about providing a contest, taking marks around the ground (something pitto does not provide) and chopping out their #46 for a rest.


tapping to advantage is such an overblown stat - espesh when you have mids like us. we don't even need a ruck to win games. going into the freo game, on their deck with no ruck and we spanked them is all the proof we needed.

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Pitto's value lies in his ability to take the bash and crash of the bulk of the ruckwork, something which none of TDK, JSOS and Harry can do individually or even as part of a duo. The question for me is whether the 3 of them together can handle that - if so then I think it is au revoir Pitto, because that trio provides so much more away from the ruck contests simpliciter. I like Pitto's ruckwork but his lack of capacity to give value away from that aspect of the game, together with his lack of mobility being liable to be exposed by his direct opponents leaves me to see him as a player we play only if we can't cover the ruck role by alternatives.

The situation might be different if and when we come up against an old fashioned bash and crash ruckman - but they are a bit thin on the ground nowadays for the same reason Pitto is an endangered species.

Dont worry That Choll turns into a superstar against us.....

excellent post

The idea that we're better without Harry is nonsense, just watch that first half against Melbourne and tell me we weren't crying out for another marking target inside 50 and on the wings. But I do agree that having TDK and Pitto in addition to H is more than we need, and I'd prefer to swap Pitto for SOS if the latter is fit.

One possible theory is that we're using Pitto to absorb the heavy knocks until the end of the H&A season and that TDK-SOS-H-CC will be our ruck/key forward combo for the finals. I hope that's the case.

Harry is a no brainer.
The challenge though is one Voss etc to make sure it works.

That helps.
Prob means on avg they will score around 2 goals less.
I expect we will hold them to a low score.
If Harry and Charlie can combine for 6 goals we will be a long way down the track to victory.

As long as we turn up mentally we win this game.
Voss ought to remind the players GC have kicked a couple decent scores over the past 6 or so weeks, so they do have it in them to play good footy, so we better be on our A Game to make sure we qualify a week early than needs to be.

Expect GC to try and unsettle our system.
Teams have had time to figure us out now so I expect some tactical initiatives from opposition coaches.
That alone arguably justifies bringing Harry back in. It means we might be doing something a little different this weekend.

I wonder if Voss will play Harry closer to goal and Charlie a bit further out.
That would be a surprise of sorts but makes sense because Harry is coming back from injury so might be short of a gallop and Charlie is quite possibly the best field kick in the comp from CHF.

Just have to hope Harry has his kicking boots on.

Hopefully Doc isn't a late out

Either way….

it’s exciting…this team now…is capable
of great heights…!

lets sit back and enjoy…!

in Voss and coaches we trust…!


kindest regards tommi

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Absolutely spot on. I think we’ll find TDK is becoming one of those rucks who plays best when he’s the number 1 and gets 80% of the game in the middle, like Gawn, Grundy, Dean Cox etc. And he’s finally physically capable of doing it.

JSOS has proven he’s more than capable of providing a chop. Shaun Grigg did it in a premiership side. Plus Harry seems to be okay taking F50 ruck contests and Cripps doesn’t mind taking boundary throw ins around the ground when it’s a wrestle and not ruckman launching into him


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