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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 4:34 pm 
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Listening to the press conference, I must admit the I had the feeling JW thought we had qualified for finals already. :?
Hopefully I misinterpreted and he's just supremely confident that we can win our way through. :thumbsup:


Yes that is fine, the proof will be in the pudding on Sunday.

Maybe they've been doing extra loads.

I doubt it though.

I reckon we are [REDACTED] but I hope I am wrong.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 5:43 pm 
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Cuningham, Ed and Stocker could be best 22, but lets call them "depth".



This is what I mean by genuine depth. Players that can come in and perform a role consistently without effecting the team too much. Cuningham & Stocker have potential but are unproven and Ed is injured and past it

For me that is not depth


But if Ed was fit and available he would be depth...someone who could come into the seniors and perform a role.

I wrote off Ed by about round 6. I got use to winning without him.
If he was fit and ready right now, I'd pick him ahead of LOB, Setters, Newnes and Hayes TBH.
But I will leave the smart decisions to Voss.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 5:48 pm 
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Dow is being tagged because he's dominating the VFL. His form is good enough to promote him IMHO.
But they need to simplify his role. Even if he gets the ball and kicks it blindly 50 metres. I'd rather that than have him handball to someone standing next to him. He's a very good ball winner. We have to find a way to capitalise on it.
Hewitt is a big loss and I fear me may not see a lot more of him this year.

Marchbank for Newman, Cottrell to Neale, Dow for Kennedy, JSOS to replace Durdin, Martin sub, Cerra and Dow to rotate H/F-Mid-Wing.
Possibly Hayes for LOB :razz:



2 wrongs don't make a right ie kicking blindly and handballing to a stationary player.

That kicking blindly is not what the midfield group did this year to get us to 8-2.
We have been kicking it blindly forward since the Pies game imo.


I disagree. Centre bounce is the only time in the game that key forwards are one on one.
Getting the ball drive deep inside our forward 50 from a centre bounce is far more preferable than turning it over in the midfield. Get an inside 50 stoppage at worst and set up behind the ball.
I'll back our talls in to win more than their share of contests.
The opposition have worked out our forward handball strategy and shut it down. Time for some brutal, efficient footy.
Shut down Neale, they can try to tag Cripps and I'll back in our next rated mid to beat theirs.


I get you drift BV, but if Dow gets the ball and kicks it forward 50 metres (which he can't, so say 41m), its not going to be deep in the forwardline: that's where Charlie and Harry set up with Durdin. Ball will get the 50m line, then what? Walsh has already entered the midfield fray, SOS is on a HHF position and Fisher/Martin/Honey is on the other flank.

I wouldnt be worried if Dow was selected. Who else is there? Bring it on. He deserves a spot based on his early season form. Why protest his inclusion? He's not going to get the ball to Harry and Charlie is what I'm thinking. I hope he does. Unfortunately "hope" isn't the same as "confident".

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 6:36 pm 
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So Weitering's presser is this week's Jack Silvagni red herring. Got it.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 7:38 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
bondiblue wrote:

Cuningham, Ed and Stocker could be best 22, but lets call them "depth".



This is what I mean by genuine depth. Players that can come in and perform a role consistently without effecting the team too much. Cuningham & Stocker have potential but are unproven and Ed is injured and past it

For me that is not depth


But if Ed was fit and available he would be depth...someone who could come into the seniors and perform a role.

I wrote off Ed by about round 6. I got use to winning without him.
If he was fit and ready right now, I'd pick him ahead of LOB, Setters, Newnes and Hayes TBH.
But I will leave the smart decisions to Voss.


To be fair one person ain’t depth and at 33 not for long


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 9:38 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
bondiblue wrote:

Cuningham, Ed and Stocker could be best 22, but lets call them "depth".



This is what I mean by genuine depth. Players that can come in and perform a role consistently without effecting the team too much. Cuningham & Stocker have potential but are unproven and Ed is injured and past it

For me that is not depth


But if Ed was fit and available he would be depth...someone who could come into the seniors and perform a role.

I wrote off Ed by about round 6. I got use to winning without him.
If he was fit and ready right now, I'd pick him ahead of LOB, Setters, Newnes and Hayes TBH.
But I will leave the smart decisions to Voss.


To be fair one person ain’t depth and at 33 not for long


Nothing to do with fairness farmer.
Due to desperate times, I'm happy to give a 33yo to show them how its done.
Need to set the bar higher. I'm saying a crippled 33yo is a better proposition than what I'm seeing from our wings.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:49 pm 
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We really are wing-obsessed as a league after Ed Langdon had a good season.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:59 am 
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I get you drift BV, but if Dow gets the ball and kicks it forward 50 metres (which he can't, so say 41m), its not going to be deep in the forwardline


Agree to disagree. Watching Dow in the VFL, he's been kicking the ball 50m+ easily.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:02 am 
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If he kicks it long into the forward line without looking, is he really doing anything different to what Sam Walsh has been doing in recent weeks (and a couple of years ago)?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:57 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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I get you drift BV, but if Dow gets the ball and kicks it forward 50 metres (which he can't, so say 41m), its not going to be deep in the forwardline


Agree to disagree. Watching Dow in the VFL, he's been kicking the ball 50m+ easily.



41m-50m, I was making a point about the distance ... make it 55m.
I was working with your paradigm of Dow in the middle and kicking blindly.
I'm assuming you're referring to his selection as a midfielder.
Assuming that is correct, I assume we are referring to Dow receiving the ball from a centre bounce.
If he receives the ball at the centre bounce, his 50 m kick from the centre is not going to travel "deep" into our forwardline; maybe at Glenferrie oval, but not the G nor the Dome.

That's all.

I look forward to his rise in the ranks. His last month in the VFL hasn't been flash. Yes he did kick a 50m goal recently, but he rarely kicks them 50 and certainly not under pressure he finds himself as a midfielder, so its not a case of easily in his role.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:58 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I get you drift BV, but if Dow gets the ball and kicks it forward 50 metres (which he can't, so say 41m), its not going to be deep in the forwardline


Agree to disagree. Watching Dow in the VFL, he's been kicking the ball 50m+ easily.



41m-50m, I was making a point about the distance ... make it 55m.
I was working with your paradigm of Dow in the middle and kicking blindly.
I'm assuming you're referring to his selection as a midfielder.
Assuming that is correct, I assume we are referring to Dow receiving the ball from a centre bounce.
If he receives the ball at the centre bounce, his 50 m kick from the centre is not going to travel "deep" into our forwardline; maybe at Glenferrie oval, but not the G nor the Dome.

That's all.

I look forward to his rise in the ranks. His last month in the VFL hasn't been flash. Yes he did kick a 50m goal recently, but he rarely kicks them 50 and certainly not under pressure he finds himself as a midfielder, so its not a case of easily in his role.


I’ve seen him kick a few goals from 50+ in the vfl this year on the burst.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:03 am 
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bluehammer wrote:
We really are wing-obsessed as a league after Ed Langdon had a good season.



Just this week diesel provided a link to a podcast with Kouta and Hanna.

They were our last Premiership wingmen.

I know Camporeale played wing too, such were our spoils for the wing, and something we've sorely lacked and continue to lack today.

The obsession is not recent. You just have to look at the wingmen from every premiership team to know they have to be good and a necessary component to success.

Oh the days of Quirk, Crane, Chandler, Kennedy, Robertson, Glascott, Maylin, Francis, Young...we didnt have to worry about the wing when they manned the position

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:07 am 
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Long blind blast from the centre bounce is ok because of 6-6-6 and the team can plan for what general areas to punt for. At all other times, @#$%&! no (unless we become a counterattacking team with a near-vacant f50)


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:09 am 
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Any word on George ? all this talk about Paddy Dow . Got this gut feeling Paddy would go well with George along side him . Just reckon George would steady him down . Gut feeling , that's all .

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:12 am 
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Any word on George ? all this talk about Paddy Dow . Got this gut feeling Paddy would go well with George along side him . Just reckon George would steady him down . Gut feeling , that's all .


Hewitt will be out for a few weeks yet.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:12 am 
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bluehammer wrote:
We really are wing-obsessed as a league after Ed Langdon had a good season.

Bring back Frank Marchesani


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:14 am 
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Really interested in the selections tonight.

We have 2 mids to replace: Kennedy and Hewett.
We didnt replace a mid for Hewett when he was out for GWS, and Adelaide.

I feel the MC don't have a choice but to pick Dow, (unless they see him as a liability).
Fogarty is the only other choice, unless Setterfield is asked to play his old role as an inside mid.

Martin and Honey are the only choices to replace Durdin.

I trust the MC, and look forward to see who gets the nod ... especially interested in Jack's role this week.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:18 am 
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We still have great players on every line:

KPB: Weitering Young McGovern

Small backs: Saad and Doc

Rucks: Pittonet TDK

Mids: Cripps, Walsh Cerra

KPF: Harry Charlie TDK/Jack

Small fwds: Owies Fisher

Quick Tagger: Cottrell

There's 16 goos role players/ stars

Again, its about our bottom 6. Will they come to play?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:21 am 
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sinbagger wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Any word on George ? all this talk about Paddy Dow . Got this gut feeling Paddy would go well with George along side him . Just reckon George would steady him down . Gut feeling , that's all .


Hewitt will be out for a few weeks yet.


Really ! bad news all-round that . Still , if Paddy comes in just run him on and off the bench to keep him fresh . Burst is his strength . Paddy with his zip could upset the Lions midfield coz they are one paced like us ..............for that reason i would like to see Honey . Honey is just a smidgin' away from clicking i feel .

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