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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:55 pm 
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still disappointed that by round 6 we have a team that has A Silvagni Rowe and white in it and jaksch and Harry Mckay haven't had an opportunity

Doesn't make sense when we have won 1 out of 5 games

We played seven kids against Port. Thomas, Palmer, Kerridge and these players provide a mature head, a mature body and experience. Even Weitering looked poor against Port. You can't play a team of developing footballers against Sydney.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:14 pm 
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Or contrary playing Silvagni White and Rowe in the same team is horribly short sighted and shows that selectors are reactionary against silly criticism of a very young team performance last week

Uninformed press criticism and then the selectors sh... Themselves be bold

Prefer any day a young side losing than a side of older guys who in any objective measure are not up to it
Any AFL side with these 3 guys playing in the back line is sub par
How does these 3 playing sit with the development of Marchbank and Plowman
What if anything can any of them teach Marchbank and Plowman
How top heavy and slow do you want your back line to be

What run carry or flair do any of these 3 give you

You are correct very shortsighted selection I can hear the 3 stooges music being played


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:19 pm 
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Hi Blue Boys both that is 3 really ordinary disposers of the ball that aren't the future and will be very lucky to be on the list next year and wouldn't be on any other AFL list
Not the future not the present and not any good

Obviously I'm no expert but I thought McKay did enough last week to warrant a game and thought his JLT form meant he should get a go
Also thought over the last 4 weeks Jaksch has done enough to warrant a go given we have no forwards who kick accurately haven't really got key position forwards apart from Levi who plays mostly forward ruck

Obviously coaches etc know a lot more than me and perhaps Jaksch and McKay aren't following instructions etc

Moreover I was happy initially for Weiters to play forward and early was ok but looks like he needs to go back so why Jaksch isn't tried forward Weiters goes back and Silvagni and White DONT play because they are diabolical users of the ball
I'm usually very supportive of Bolts but he and the selection committee in my view are wrong here and it's a bit like shooting bambi in here if you make any criticism of the new regime
I support them broadly but think we have obligation as members to call them out if we reckon they are wrong


You thought Harry did enough last week? Seriously? He had 5 disposals and 3 goals in the first quarter followed by a total of 4 disposals for the the remaining 3 quarters. That can't honestly be enough for you can it? His coach said "he is progressing well" and "it won't be long until he puts a full 4 quarters together."

You thought his JTL form meant he should get a go? Seriously? In JLT 1 he had 3 disposals, 0 score and was rated by AFL stats as second worst player on the field across both sides. In JLT 2 he had 8 disposals and 1 point. He was dropped for JLT 3. You think that form means he should get a game?

Big H will be a star and I can't wait for it but I'm very happy the MC aren't gifting him a game.

In one breath you say the club knows a lot more than you and in the next breath you say Bolts and the selection committee are wrong?


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:49 pm 
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Crippa have you seen our forward line in the seniors and yes any guy that can kick 3 goals in the vfl and is a key position forward should be considered
Yes I thought last weeks performance warranted him a game
Certainly the VFL commentators at the game said so much but perhaps like me they wouldn't know or ain't worthy of an opinion according to you
Did you actually watch the game or are you just relying on stats

Yes I thought his JLT form warranted a game -did you go to the JLT games as I did or are you relying on stats
Did you see some of his pressure stats tackles leads etc in JLT or are you just relying on stats

What has Silvagni done over JLT and vfl to warrant a game good stats has he

Yes wrong in my eyes and apology about having an opinion we may as well shut the forum down if you don't want opinions

Tell you what Crippa don't read my posts because I sure ain't going to read any of yours
We occasionally have guys like you Crippa who try to make a name for themselves early days burn brightly and then rack off

You aren't even burning brightly
Go back to your stats book and leave people who have opinions to debate properly here


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:02 pm 
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KJ missed one sitter but apart from that was strong support for Kerr and Big H in a multi-pronged forward setup that worked well. Good signs for the future I thought.


Fair enough.
Always better with a 3 pronged attack with speed around them.
But at the higher level all 3 need to deliver possessions marks assists 1%ers and if forward goals.

IMO KJ has to make things happen given his physique.
For such a lean player who looks athletic doesn't show mobility speed let alone intensity.
We can drop the intensity for laconic look, but the rest is more important.

That first game agast Richmond I was sitting in that HF area he was leading in and he looked the bomb.
Then he had a shot from 50 and dobbed it with ease, or laconic motions. 10 minutes he lasted.
After that he got injured and he hasn't shown anything nor been persisted with by a few coaches.

Just sayin

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:04 pm 
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Effes wrote:
All three Swans emergencies not playing in the NEAFL


Interesting.

Jack is under the biggest cloud.

Others are playing hurt.
A bit like us after the Bombers in the wet.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:05 pm 
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GWS give the Swans a hard time playing on the edge.

I expect the Swans to be more brittle than our young bodies.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:13 pm 
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Relax Frank. I never said you can't have an opinion. I simply questioned your opinion without saying anything aggressive or insulting. You have overreacted to my questions just as many people are overreacting to a couple of selections and/or non selections. I won't question you again if it upsets you so much. Didn't mean to.

To be fair, I watched the JLT games on foxtel not live so if you have seen additional things at the ground then cool. Not sure why you are so offended by it all.

Silvani's forward half pressure and leading patterns warrant him a game in my opinion. Happy for you to question that if you want.

Just to be clear? You want debate but are not happy I questioned you politely. Understood :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:37 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
Or contrary playing Silvagni White and Rowe in the same team is horribly short sighted and shows that selectors are reactionary against silly criticism of a very young team performance last week

Uninformed press criticism and then the selectors sh... Themselves be bold

Prefer any day a young side losing than a side of older guys who in any objective measure are not up to it
Any AFL side with these 3 guys playing in the back line is sub par
How does these 3 playing sit with the development of Marchbank and Plowman
What if anything can any of them teach Marchbank and Plowman
How top heavy and slow do you want your back line to be

What run carry or flair do any of these 3 give you

You are correct very shortsighted selection I can hear the 3 stooges music being played
What's more short-sighted?
1) Bringing in experienced players periodically to give our young players a rest.
2) Driving our young players into the ground by playing them week after week, ultimately leaving us little choice but to bring in said experienced guys anyway.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:16 pm 
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Understand young players get tired and need some protection but it's only round 6

Still think Jaksch and McKay should have been preferred to White and Silvagni
They add a different dimension to White and Silvagni

Still think a stodgy back line with the three stooges as well as playing Marchbank Weitering and Plowman is playing a plethora of back men where our greatest problem is the forward line hence preferring Jaksch who whilst not playing many games isn't a newbie and McKay

Also hopefully Jaksch and McKay will be at Carlton after the end of the year don't think white and Silvagni should be and would be disappointed if they were


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 12:37 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
I am more confident of our chances since the selections were announced.

They haven't got the usual strong forwardline other than Buddy
Their backline has been hampered and Jack (isn't 100%)
McVeigh Reid and Rampe are the missing stars. They will miss Alir's drive at CHB and Grundy copped a bad head knock is missing.
Like us they have 6 young ones playing.

Their midfield have been rating well in Fantasy scores, but are not influencing games.
Swans insider (player mentor) told me Hannaberry and Parker are sore and not playing with confidence

I guess our players are carrying sore spots into the game too.

Which part of the ground will depend on who wins the midfield battle and forward pressure to ep the ball away from opposition's forwardline.
Kreuzer vs Tippett

Cripps vs Kennedy
Curnow vs Hannebury (isn't 100%)
Graham vs Parker (isn't 100%)
Gibbs vs Heeney
Murphy vs Lloyd

Anything can happen. I think we can give them a scare

Not sure what the weather will be

Jack Silvagni v Laidler?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 12:43 am 
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frank dardew wrote:
Obviously I'm no expert. Obviously coaches etc know a lot more than me but he (Bolts) and the selection committee in my view are wrong here.

Precised your post.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:53 am 
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Thanks Blue Hat that was helpful


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:24 am 
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Donstuie wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
Or contrary playing Silvagni White and Rowe in the same team is horribly short sighted and shows that selectors are reactionary against silly criticism of a very young team performance last week

Uninformed press criticism and then the selectors sh... Themselves be bold

Prefer any day a young side losing than a side of older guys who in any objective measure are not up to it
Any AFL side with these 3 guys playing in the back line is sub par
How does these 3 playing sit with the development of Marchbank and Plowman
What if anything can any of them teach Marchbank and Plowman
How top heavy and slow do you want your back line to be

What run carry or flair do any of these 3 give you

You are correct very shortsighted selection I can hear the 3 stooges music being played
What's more short-sighted?
1) Bringing in experienced players periodically to give our young players a rest.
2) Driving our young players into the ground by playing them week after week, ultimately leaving us little choice but to bring in said experienced guys anyway.


Lock in 2 please Eddie. Especially when one experienced player (Murphy) is under a question mark and might be replaced on match day by a young inexperienced player.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:48 am 
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frank dardew wrote:
Tell you what Crippa don't read my posts because I sure ain't going to read any of yours
We occasionally have guys like you Crippa who try to make a name for themselves early days burn brightly and then rack off
You aren't even burning brightly
Go back to your stats book and leave people who have opinions to debate properly here


Ps after a bit of time to consider your thoughts frank: 'guys like me' probably "rack off" because of abuse from people like you.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 8:03 am 
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I thought Silvagni looked good for the seconds last week. At some point he needs to be given the opportunity to show what he can bring to this footy club. Why not while he's in form

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 9:57 am 
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Kouta wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
still disappointed that by round 6 we have a team that has A Silvagni Rowe and white in it and jaksch and Harry Mckay haven't had an opportunity

Doesn't make sense when we have won 1 out of 5 games

We played seven kids against Port. Thomas, Palmer, Kerridge and these players provide a mature head, a mature body and experience. Even Weitering looked poor against Port. You can't play a team of developing footballers against Sydney.

Yes. This is the point.
Last week we had plenty upset because we were ruining the kids by sending them to get smashed. Polson for example had a taste, but no point sending him for a second smashing. He will be back soon enough under more favorable circumstances.It makes sense to bolster the team with experience and on field mentors.
The selections should depend upon weekly circumstance.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 10:06 am 
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Crippa wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
Tell you what Crippa don't read my posts because I sure ain't going to read any of yours
We occasionally have guys like you Crippa who try to make a name for themselves early days burn brightly and then rack off
You aren't even burning brightly
Go back to your stats book and leave people who have opinions to debate properly here


Ps after a bit of time to consider your thoughts frank: 'guys like me' probably "rack off" because of abuse from people like you.

I think a lot of folks are valuing and enjoying your posts Crippa. :smile:
I enjoy Frank's posts too. It's great to see the passion from Frank regarding selections. I don't agree with him this week, but I might in the next. That's footy.
I guess we are all hurting because losses hurt no matter how many green shooty things. You responded without abuse and that's all you can do Crippa. We must cut each other slack during lean times eh? :gift:

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 10:40 am 
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For what it's worth couldn't agree more with Frank. Round 6 and we have called on White, CoS and Rowe to play together back. Way to top heavy and slow. Kids might be tired and hurting but we have included the wrong players.

Ps. I don't think I have ever seen Frankie so passionate....


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 10:50 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
For what it's worth couldn't agree more with Frank. Round 6 and we have called on White, CoS and Rowe to play together back. Way to top heavy and slow. Kids might be tired and hurting but we have included the wrong players.

Ps. I don't think I have ever seen Frankie so passionate....

Yes! Its great that we all still care enough to argue! :razz:
There are quite a few that agree with Frank. Opinions are divided this week.errr.... even more divided.. :lol:

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