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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 2:20 pm 
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idle wrote:
Its fun to come here and read the comments and reply to them, but I'm dead set sold on the fact we are finished as a club.

When the salary cap saga hit and the resulting penalties, I thought fair enough, we'll cop that on the chin and move on in due coarse.

20 years later, bottom of the ladder, needing to rebuild, a list that doesn't function, a coach who's got until the end of this season, and a board that's without a doubt the worst in the business.

In this cut throat industry competing against 17 other clubs, we are finished.

Its only a matter of time, slowly slowly we'll take one step forward and two steps back. One year we'll finish 12th, the next we'll finish 10th, the year after we'll finish 11th, and up and down we'll go, never amounting to anything but a middle tier club.

As the years pass and the fans dwindle away, we'll slowly rot until our only option is to merge or fold.

A once great proud club no longer. The team everyone hates and loves to beat, the yard stick of the competition.

No one can tell me its not going to end this way. 20 years have passed, and we are nowhere. The board will stay, the merry-go-round of cashed up clueless imbeciles will pass on their privilege to the next generation of cashed up clueless imbeciles until they themselves don't want to be associated with the losers we've become. There's no bragging rights when the organisation you run is nothing but a failure.

Then the merge or fold letter will be sent to whatever members we have left. The AFL will give us a bone for being a good dog and prop us up and the Tasmanian Blues will win their first flag in 45 years ...




O Captain! My Captain!
By Walt Whitman
O Captain! my Captain! our fearful trip is done,
The ship has weather’d every rack, the prize we sought is won,
The port is near, the bells I hear, the people all exulting,
While follow eyes the steady keel, the vessel grim and daring;
But O heart! heart! heart!
O the bleeding drops of red,
Where on the deck my Captain lies,
Fallen cold and dead.

O Captain! my Captain! rise up and hear the bells;
Rise up—for you the flag is flung—for you the bugle trills,
For you bouquets and ribbon’d wreaths—for you the shores a-crowding,
For you they call, the swaying mass, their eager faces turning;
Here Captain! dear father!
This arm beneath your head!
It is some dream that on the deck,
You’ve fallen cold and dead.

My Captain does not answer, his lips are pale and still,
My father does not feel my arm, he has no pulse nor will,
The ship is anchor’d safe and sound, its voyage closed and done,
From fearful trip the victor ship comes in with object won;
Exult O shores, and ring O bells!
But I with mournful tread,
Walk the deck my Captain lies,
Fallen cold and dead.

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 2:23 pm 
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Rod Ashman

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club29 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Ratten wouldn't shouldn't have had the job then if it wasn't for the board.
The board is the underlying albatross around our neck.
But it's the single biggest mountain to level.
You can change coaches and delist lists

You can't change a culture anywhere as easily...


We still had a sporting chance at the end of 2012. We had still had assets on our list. The rebuild could have been well on the way by the start of 2013.

The board stuffed it up . They need to admit it and step aside if there is anyone else wanting to have a try.

I have accepted that this is the end of Carlton as we knew it and am at peace with it. I will still die having seen my team win more premierships than most. Prelim 99 too.


unfortunately our stupid club overrated our chances after 2012

the proper rebuild should have commenced then

we have no concept about how to acquire and sustain a quality list

a good start would have been to offload Kreuzer when GWS were all over him and had good value

the other was Gibbs who was an untouchable (LOL) but who also offered some good value to other teams

I bet the Hawks would have done those deals

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 2:26 pm 
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idle wrote:
Its fun to come here and read the comments and reply to them, but I'm dead set sold on the fact we are finished as a club.

When the salary cap saga hit and the resulting penalties, I thought fair enough, we'll cop that on the chin and move on in due coarse.

20 years later, bottom of the ladder, needing to rebuild, a list that doesn't function, a coach who's got until the end of this season, and a board that's without a doubt the worst in the business.

In this cut throat industry competing against 17 other clubs, we are finished.

Its only a matter of time, slowly slowly we'll take one step forward and two steps back. One year we'll finish 12th, the next we'll finish 10th, the year after we'll finish 11th, and up and down we'll go, never amounting to anything but a middle tier club.

As the years pass and the fans dwindle away, we'll slowly rot until our only option is to merge or fold.

A once great proud club no longer. The team everyone hates and loves to beat, the yard stick of the competition.

No one can tell me its not going to end this way. 20 years have passed, and we are nowhere. The board will stay, the merry-go-round of cashed up clueless imbeciles will pass on their privilege to the next generation of cashed up clueless imbeciles until they themselves don't want to be associated with the losers we've become. There's no bragging rights when the organisation you run is nothing but a failure.

Then the merge or fold letter will be sent to whatever members we have left. The AFL will give us a bone for being a good dog and prop us up and the Tasmanian Blues will win their first flag in 45 years ...


That's actually quite a cheery post.

For the first time in a whole I can see a light at the end of the tunnel.

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 2:29 pm 
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I agree GW - death and then Tasmanian Blues! Yeah...

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 2:52 pm 
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Laurie Kerr

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GreatEx wrote:
Monty Burns wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
My 8yo son has asked two weeks in a row if he can change teams. Breaks my heart.


This is a seriously real issue.......my nephew was born in 2004 and
I signed him up as a member thinking at this stage of his life the tough
times would be over.

Just like with NBH, he's asked a few times about switching to Hawthorn,
Up until last week I would tell him things will be better soon.

Last week I said change teams if you want mate.

Luckily my son is only 4 (almost). So I just tell him "Carlton won
again today buddy". Keeps him happy.......for now.


Never quite understood this whole idea that you are obliged to support the team your father supported. My old man is a fan (albeit one with only a slight passing interest) of St Kilda and Manchester United. I chose Carlton as a 4-year-old because I loved Lygon St, and Liverpool because I was born there. I idolise my dad and hate Man U with the passion of a thousand suicide bombers.

As a child I used to cry and rage and rant to my father when Carlton [REDACTED] up (I was fortunate that this was in the '80s when a year out of the five was our measure of dismal failure), but the thought of switching allegiances would never have occurred in a million years. If your kid is asking to switch teams then he was probably never into Carlton in the first place and was just doing as he's told - "if you love him, let him go".



In my defence my son didn't really give me the impression that he wasn't into Carlton
at 4 hours of age when I signed him up. I think he was too busy learning to breathe on his own.

Seriously though, my son is almost 4......he's interested in his cars and trains
right now. He wouldn't have a clue about footy. I signed him up to support
the club. By in the end if he wanted to barrack for someone else no
dramas with me. Happy for that to happen......although I'll draw the line
at Essendon*.

Today we went out looking for a bike. He picked a girls bike with a
basket initially......I said no not that one....that's a girls bike.

Point being its ok if I make a decision for him at this age. It's not going
going to destroy his upbringing. As he gets older I'll support his decisions
even if it includes changing teams.

By the way - it was my nephew that is looking to barrack for the Dorks.

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 2:55 pm 
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Wayne Johnston

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WOW wrote:
club29 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Ratten wouldn't shouldn't have had the job then if it wasn't for the board.
The board is the underlying albatross around our neck.
But it's the single biggest mountain to level.
You can change coaches and delist lists

You can't change a culture anywhere as easily...


We still had a sporting chance at the end of 2012. We had still had assets on our list. The rebuild could have been well on the way by the start of 2013.

The board stuffed it up . They need to admit it and step aside if there is anyone else wanting to have a try.

I have accepted that this is the end of Carlton as we knew it and am at peace with it. I will still die having seen my team win more premierships than most. Prelim 99 too.


unfortunately our stupid club overrated our chances after 2012

the proper rebuild should have commenced then

we have no concept about how to acquire and sustain a quality list

a good start would have been to offload Kreuzer when GWS were all over him and had good value

the other was Gibbs who was an untouchable (LOL) but who also offered some good value to other teams

I bet the Hawks would have done those deals

Hindsight is a wonderful thing


Kreuzer didn't want to go. That's the other thing, players have a choice if they want to be traded.


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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 3:03 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Brest thing to do is tell your kid the truth.
There's an add on TV about kids mimicking parents.
You don't want your kid to be ab depressed liar.
Basically if your kid is going to love the footy club it will.. Children will end up making their own mind up..


Don't take my post too seriously in terms of what I tell my kid. He doesn't
care about footy at this age.....and he's too young to read the results in the Herald
Sun to realise I'm lying to him.

Also don't mis-interpret what my post was about. It's more about potentially
losing out on future support due to where the club is at now and
the fact there is nothing for them to get excited about.

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 3:16 pm 
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The sad thing is that we have an advantage over teams like The Dogs, Dees and Saints (also rebuilding). Unlike those teams we have a history of success and a massive, built-in supporter base who would jump on board in droves of the future is exciting again.

If we showed the same honesty and made similar tough decisions when it mattered (instead of settling for average), we'd already be ahead of those teams and the supporters would sign-up en masse for the exciting new direction the club takes. Not to mention the kids who'd latch on to the youthful excitement in a heartbeat.

But @#$%&! it, let's see what Woosha or Vossy are up to...

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 6:27 pm 
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10 minutes until we are on the bottom of the ladder. Brisbane 27 pts up on Port. What a great weekend for our Club this has been.


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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 6:40 pm 
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OOOPSS!!! My mistake......it's only the 3rd qtr....maybe that was wishful thinking on my behalf. I think we need to completely bottom out before something gets gets done.


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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 7:00 pm 
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Tom Browne @TomBrowne7
Break even at Etihad about 26,000 fans. Sources say #blues would have lost circa $150,000 - $200,000 last night #afl .@7NewsMelbourne #afl

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 7:01 pm 
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we will lose more money by not paying out malthouse

paying him out is the cheaper option

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 7:04 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Tom Browne @TomBrowne7
Break even at Etihad about 26,000 fans. Sources say #blues would have lost circa $150,000 - $200,000 last night #afl .@7NewsMelbourne #afl

15 years on, that a mid-size stadium needs to be half full to break even is an absolute joke. That is never going to be a viable ground for games against interstate teams.

It's officially the new Waverley.

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 7:08 pm 
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Kameraman wrote:
10 minutes until we are on the bottom of the ladder. Brisbane 27 pts up on Port. What a great weekend for our Club this has been.

Now 44 points up with 8 minutes to go and we are stone motherless last. What now mick and MLG?

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 7:10 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
I agree GW - death and then Tasmanian Blues! Yeah...

Hey dont send your crap down here!!!

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 7:15 pm 
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Blue Beatle wrote:
Kameraman wrote:
10 minutes until we are on the bottom of the ladder. Brisbane 27 pts up on Port. What a great weekend for our Club this has been.

Now 44 points up with 8 minutes to go and we are stone motherless last. What now mick and MLG?

45 with 2 mins to go

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 7:22 pm 
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Blue Beatle wrote:
Blue Beatle wrote:
Kameraman wrote:
10 minutes until we are on the bottom of the ladder. Brisbane 27 pts up on Port. What a great weekend for our Club this has been.

Now 44 points up with 8 minutes to go and we are stone motherless last. What now mick and MLG?

45 with 2 mins to go

Officially rock-bottom........

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 7:34 pm 
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Blue Beatle wrote:
Blue Beatle wrote:
Blue Beatle wrote:
Kameraman wrote:
10 minutes until we are on the bottom of the ladder. Brisbane 27 pts up on Port. What a great weekend for our Club this has been.

Now 44 points up with 8 minutes to go and we are stone motherless last. What now mick and MLG?

45 with 2 mins to go

Officially rock-bottom........

Rock bottom is when we announce a multi million dollar loss, have players walking out, don't win another game for year etc etc which will all happen. Tonight is not rock bottom.


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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 7:43 pm 
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Blue Beatle wrote:
Blue Beatle wrote:
Kameraman wrote:
10 minutes until we are on the bottom of the ladder. Brisbane 27 pts up on Port. What a great weekend for our Club this has been.

Now 44 points up with 8 minutes to go and we are stone motherless last. What now mick and MLG?

45 with 2 mins to go

Mick was right! - "make no mistake, brisbane are a very very good football side..."


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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 10:08 pm 
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Hinkley the master coach.

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