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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:06 pm 
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Me too. The big advantage of White as a run-with providing he now has the engine is that if his tallish midfield opponents like Martin Watson Pendlebury or Fyfe go to the goal square he can actually cover them, without us having to hastily reorganise our entire back six just to cope.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:37 pm 
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Me too. The big advantage of White as a run-with providing he now has the engine is that if his tallish midfield opponents like Martin Watson Pendlebury or Fyfe go to the goal square he can actually cover them, without us having to hastily reorganise our entire back six just to cope.

Martin isn't in the same league as those other names, who would destroy White as an opponent. We shouldn't be using him in midfield.

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I don't mind White.

One of the things we lack in that playing list is a sense of versatility. I think it goes a long way to explain our performance in close games. We don't have players who have the versatility to take a spell in the forward pocket and actually make an impact there, instead requiring them to rotate exclusively through the bench, because they have no impact when they go forward, or lack whats required down back, with a domino impact on those who legitimately require a spell on the bench.

White can play tall, small, run with, forward, back. I don't rate his kicking skills, and I'm not sure if he truly has football smarts. But he's agro, looks like he gives a shit, and does what is asked of him.

In hindsight, the biggest/most glaring issue of list management last year is giving Carrazzo another year.

All fair points, though I think in hindsight we should have kept Hampson and jettisoned Warnock, discarded Ellard at the end of last year, traded 19 for Mitch Clark, then signed Taylor Hunt, Shaun Higgins and James Frawley.

We never would have signed Liam Jones, Dick or Tutt, though we probably would have had to take 5-10% off everyone else's wages. Not sure they would have cared though.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:47 pm 
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Martin isn't in the same league as those other names, who would destroy White as an opponent. We shouldn't be using him in midfield.


White doesn't need to be in the same league as those guys. Neither is Crowley.

White has the endurance and persistence to hassle them to death. Just like Crowley does

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:53 pm 
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White has all the tools to be our Crowley

Endurance, mongrel, sufficient disposal, concentration to keep at the task.

Like him allot

More importantly. So does Mick


Yep it's about time we had a player other supporters really hate like Crowley, Ballantyne etc. Means he's doing something right.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:14 pm 
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Crowley has more foot speed and much more experience in the role. Crowley is a douchebag and not an overly attacking player naturally, but he is not a hack midfielder.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:21 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Crowley has more foot speed and much more experience in the role. Crowley is a douchebag and not an overly attacking player naturally, but he is not a hack midfielder.


Don't agree on the foot speed.

Whether he is a prick or not is irrelevant, although I agree he is annoyingly good at what he does.

He is run with blanket player and negates prime movers in the opposition

IMO White has the ability to do that role

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:29 pm 
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bluebo baggers wrote:
baz_baz wrote:
White has all the tools to be our Crowley

Endurance, mongrel, sufficient disposal, concentration to keep at the task.

Like him allot

More importantly. So does Mick


Yep it's about time we had a player other supporters really hate like Crowley, Ballantyne etc. Means he's doing something right.


Just a few more 'tough' players would suit me, a la Rice, McKay, Hamill, Brown, even Hickmott...

Not saying players like Simmo aren't tough, but you know what I mean. More mongrel.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:44 pm 
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bluedog wrote:
bluebo baggers wrote:
baz_baz wrote:
White has all the tools to be our Crowley

Endurance, mongrel, sufficient disposal, concentration to keep at the task.

Like him allot

More importantly. So does Mick


Yep it's about time we had a player other supporters really hate like Crowley, Ballantyne etc. Means he's doing something right.


Just a few more 'tough' players would suit me, a la Rice, McKay, Hamill, Brown, even Hickmott...

Not saying players like Simmo aren't tough, but you know what I mean. More mongrel.

This... our real problem imo

We have no Balls (sorry ladies)... no one that gives a shit when the chips a down... no one hurts when we lose... no spirit

Simmo gets ko'd by Wellingham and we let him walk off the ground without as much as a bruise... that's the modern Carlton player... rush home and promote clothing on twitter type

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:57 pm 
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baz_baz wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Martin isn't in the same league as those other names, who would destroy White as an opponent. We shouldn't be using him in midfield.


White doesn't need to be in the same league as those guys. Neither is Crowley.

White has the endurance and persistence to hassle them to death. Just like Crowley does


And then kick the ball up and down on the spot. White is a poor kick.
You need more than endurance and mongrel to make the grade. Our problem is we had a centre line of White, Curnow and Carrazzo at times Thursday night. It's pointless winning the clearances if you do nothing with them.
How moronic are we when we play blokes like Cripps in the NAB cup (32 possessions in the final game) and then play taggers in the real stuff. :screwy:
We start to play with one system and then throw it out the window. Any wonder our forwards had no idea what was going on.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:17 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
baz_baz wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Martin isn't in the same league as those other names, who would destroy White as an opponent. We shouldn't be using him in midfield.


White doesn't need to be in the same league as those guys. Neither is Crowley.

White has the endurance and persistence to hassle them to death. Just like Crowley does


And then kick the ball up and down on the spot. White is a poor kick.
You need more than endurance and mongrel to make the grade. Our problem is we had a centre line of White, Curnow and Carrazzo at times Thursday night. It's pointless winning the clearances if you do nothing with them.
How moronic are we when we play blokes like Cripps in the NAB cup (32 possessions in the final game) and then play taggers in the real stuff. :screwy:
We start to play with one system and then throw it out the window. Any wonder our forwards had no idea what was going on.


You'll find Whites skills are improving all the time. Seem him a few times in preseason and he has improved markedly. Mick made the same comment regarding him last presser.

I reckon give him the role and let him grow. He will get shitfaced occasionally but that's ok. Carrazzo is basically past it. Bring Whitey on

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:31 pm 
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B: Simmo Jamo Tuohy
HB: White Rowe Docherty
C: Curnow Judd Everitt
HF: Bell Hendo Yarran
F: Murphy Casboult Jones

R: Wood Gibbs Carrazzo

Inter: Buckley, Menzel, Tutt
Sub: Cripps

In - Buckley, Casboult, Tutt
Out - KJ (inj), Thomas (inj), Smith

Tutt gets the nod ahead of Ellard. We know Ellard is a favourite of MM, but he missed most of the pre-season games. Tutt should be more match hardened.

I have some misgivings about picking Buckley & Casboult when they aren't in form, but what's the alternative? I suppose we could keep Smith in the side (in his home state), but he looked a fair way off being ready to me. Now that he's had a taste, it might be better to let him work on his game/fitness in the VFL for awhile. Boekhorst & Armfield aren't in better form than Buckley. I like Graham but he won't give us what we need this week. Whiley needs another week or two in the VFL. Byrne might be a chance, but I just like Buckley's pace and versatility.

I suppose we could look at not playing Casboult and replacing KJ with a smaller player (Byrne? Dick? DVR?), but I think we have the chance to stretch the Eagles' defence this week and I prefer Casboult to Watson. Rowe back into permanent defender mode for now.

I'm assuming Yarran is OK, and that Walker isn't quite ready.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:42 pm 
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I still scratch my head to figure out what exactly White offers this team. No positives whatsoever. Runs around like a headless chook. But Micky loves him so that's all that matters.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:47 pm 
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Drewgirl wrote:
I still scratch my head to figure out what exactly White offers this team. No positives whatsoever. Runs around like a headless chook. But Micky loves him so that's all that matters.


Martin worked it out Thursday night

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:48 pm 
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Cripps sub? He's fit to play 80% game time; same can't be said of Carrazzo, Murphy, Gibbs, Judd and Simpson. I think one of those names should be the sub... perhaps Gibbs?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:16 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
baz_baz wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Martin isn't in the same league as those other names, who would destroy White as an opponent. We shouldn't be using him in midfield.


White doesn't need to be in the same league as those guys. Neither is Crowley.

White has the endurance and persistence to hassle them to death. Just like Crowley does


And then kick the ball up and down on the spot. White is a poor kick.
You need more than endurance and mongrel to make the grade. Our problem is we had a centre line of White, Curnow and Carrazzo at times Thursday night. It's pointless winning the clearances if you do nothing with them.
How moronic are we when we play blokes like Cripps in the NAB cup (32 possessions in the final game) and then play taggers in the real stuff. :screwy:
We start to play with one system and then throw it out the window. Any wonder our forwards had no idea what was going on.


Incredibly, Carrazzo attended 25 centre bounces, White 13, Cripps 6 and Murphy 2!

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Carrazzo Judd probably our 2 best inside extractors. Scary.

Hope Cripps and Whiley develop....


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:54 pm 
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bluechampion wrote:
IN: Boekhurst, Buckley
OUT: Thomas, Jacksch

White - Jamo - Touhy
Yarran - Rowe - Docherty
Murphy - Carrazzo - Gibbs
Menzel - Henderson - Bell
Buckley - Jones - Judd

Wood - Cripps - Curnow

Boekhurst - Simmo - Everitt
sub: Smith

Just trying to get a bit more run in the side. But I generally agree that Bell, Carrazzo, Cripps and Curnow are all a bit one-paced to be in the same side. They all offer different strengths, but it makes us a little stodgy through the middle.


I'm guessing Rowe is your 2nd ruck.
How much confidence does that give you let alone the midfield.
Who takes his spot at CHB?

Imo we need a settled backline.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:01 pm 
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White as a run with midfielder! We really need to find one though. :lol: :yikes:


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:06 pm 
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White as a run with midfielder! We really need to find one though. :lol: :yikes:


Well, Everett was tried a couple of times last year and did a job on Sloan really well so I would like to see White take on that role and that leaves Everett more versatile.

White has been working on it this year after a discussion with Mick. Love to see him set his mind to it. Worked a treat on Martin

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:12 pm 
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Yes, we have taggers galore, but can't get the ball themselves. So we have Curnow, who is so ordinary it's unbelievable, Carrazzo another who kills is with disposal, and now the saviour White. Ooh fogot we are turning Everett into one too.

We got got rid of the exciting playmakers we had.

It's ironic how we are trying to be so defensive, but we are the worst ones at it.

Any player with any flair is being choked.


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