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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:00 am 
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In regards to MM's pressed, I didn't see anything wrong with it.
Mark Stevens was trying to be a smarta*se trying to excuse the umpires by saying 'it's an unwritten rule that umpires put the whistle away in close games'. MM rightly took him to task.
The umpires need to be held accountable for their crap displays, just like players and coaches are.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:17 am 
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Agree Mick is too rude generally in presses and it does reflect on the club and people generally are interested in the press conferences hoping that Mick will demonise someone
Having said that he was saying in the presser what everyone who was at the game Friday night
I'm no umpire basher but the last 2 weeks in tight games we have been murdered
Guthrie mark when Murphy had it first early in game
Deplorable bounce situation in 2nd quarter
Menzel free kick not paid
Runner and Robbo
Got 8 free kicks to 11

In the long term perhaps it's better if we have these losses better draft picks etc but it still hurts given we were in both matches 16 points up in the last quarter
Good teams win those games Crappy teams lose them despite the umpiring
Need more talent in the side early picks are the tonic


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:42 am 
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The no review of the Waite kick off tge ground was terrible

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:52 am 
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Lloyd just exposed Brock perfectly on TSFS.
Lost contact with his man Selwood purely to lack of agility


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Rexy wrote:
Lloyd just exposed Brock perfectly on TSFS.
Lost contact with his man Selwood purely to lack of agility


Pretty damning wasnt it. 2 really bad plays in the final minutes


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 12:28 pm 
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ColourMan wrote:
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McLean has lost the plot this year.
He looks slower.. Older.. Less skilled.
I wouldn't be surprised if there is something wrong with him.
Either way we should have tried to trade him last year.
The slow types don't cut it in today's game.


Massive defensive liability, has been all year!

Much more obvious being at the game than TV...


Was named in the best players in the paper. Work that one out. He was terrible !


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Rexy wrote:
The lack of defensive strategy to counter tomahawks influence in the first half was ultimately the killer.
Poor coaching.


Poor coaching - Jammo should have been on Hawkins from the start. If he failed we could have turned to Waite or Henderson who was doing SFA at the other end. Took far too long to move Rowe who is very inexperienced as a defender and was clearly out of his debth from early on.

Poor selection - Why was Buckley not there ?

Umpires - The centre bounce that wasn't recalled. The Menzel free kick that would have won the game. Three blind mice !


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 12:54 pm 
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Given the way Geelong were moving the ball it wouldn't have mattered who was on Hawkins during that second quarter. Most of the time it was to a one on one and, more importantly, kicked to his advantage. The one he kicked from the pocket, too, was a direct result of a sloppy turn over on the half back flank and Rowe was understandably annoyed.

Since being redeployed in his current role Sam has performed quite well, better than I imagined he was capable of. Friday night was the first time he's been soundly beaten.

As for a different match up, they may well have made the move earlier but Jamison spent an extended spell off the field late in the first half.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:00 pm 
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Eric McKenzie is now considered one of the best defenders in the AFL and got severely spanked by Roughie on the weekend.

So bad he had to taken off him in the second quarter.

The circumstances where almost identical to Rowe/Hawkins. Ball coming in too fast and the defender left one out with his direct opponent or Roughie allowed to peel off every now and then.

Is Roughie a better player than Hawkins? Not sure, but the similarities were certainly there.

So Sam's poor day is one all defenders can have, even the best in the business. Thought Sam fought back well.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:49 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
Eric McKenzie is now considered one of the best defenders in the AFL and got severely spanked by Roughie on the weekend.

So bad he had to taken off him in the second quarter.

The circumstances where almost identical to Rowe/Hawkins. Ball coming in too fast and the defender left one out with his direct opponent or Roughie allowed to peel off every now and then.

Is Roughie a better player than Hawkins? Not sure, but the similarities were certainly there.

So Sam's poor day is one all defenders can have, even the best in the business. Thought Sam fought back well.



Me too.

Extremely well I'd have said.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:05 pm 
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Given the way Geelong were moving the ball it wouldn't have mattered who was on Hawkins during that second quarter. Most of the time it was to a one on one and, more importantly, kicked to his advantage. The one he kicked from the pocket, too, was a direct result of a sloppy turn over on the half back flank and Rowe was understandably annoyed.

Since being redeployed in his current role Sam has performed quite well, better than I imagined he was capable of. Friday night was the first time he's been soundly beaten.

As for a different match up, they may well have made the move earlier but Jamison spent an extended spell off the field late in the first half.


Great point. Was good to see that even after the football lesson he copped in the first half, he didn't drop his head and was a pretty decent contributor in the second half.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:17 pm 
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..no defender when left one on one can stop their man of the kicker has time and space to deliver a low spearing pass.. ..you must pressure the kicker..

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:32 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
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gerry atric wrote:

MM embarrassed the club again with his childish behaviour at the presser. He is a typical teenage bully, obsequious to ex players and vicious if he gets reasonable questions that in any way challenge his infallibility. Anyone looking for a team to barrack for wd see him and choose someone else. The club needs to tell him to show respect to others, and display his intelligence rather than his immature petulance.


What absolute tripe. "Stevo" is always coming up with his statements on the game or dead ended questions. MM is giving it the time of day it & he deserves. Thought he answered well with regards to the game changing decisions not paid. A bit of theatre & I like it. Emotional game is footy, and a presser after such a game with amateur hour questioning, give him a break.


One thing I dislike about MM. His treatment of people in pressers is a disgrace. Show some respect and you will get some back. Holds a grudge too long.


It is OK to have a personal opinion.

The issue here wasnt with the reporter it was with the umpires.MM didnt have a go at the reporter.

Its OK. You obviously just dont like MM.


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He doesn't like MM?
Psych is one of Malthouses biggest supporters.
Yes it's OK to have an opinion but when it's not a positive comment, you're a "hater" or you hold a grudge.

Malthouse is abrupt and rude to the media. The problem is, that's the grab most people see on the news or football shows. It doesn't paint the club in a positive light.
It's just one of the little things that contribute to the current malaise the club is in. Shit membership, shit performance, shit attitude to supporters and shit relationships.



The highlighted bit is the point at the presser...nothing else.
MM was quite calm I thought.

As for Psych being a lover of MM, I beg to differ. BV you conveniently forget the Psych does criticise MM so I dont know where the "MM supporter " cry comes from. Maybe convenient for you to say so.

I'm not convinced MM is the saviour of the club, but as I said the point MM was making I am so glad he did for ALL supporters frustrated by the umpires influence on the results in the last 2 weeks.

Saying nothing doesnt help. Maguire at the Pies speaks up about bad umpiring and he is heard and the umpires shape up.
I dont want this club taking rubbish from the umpires. IMO saying something instead of being meek is a start, then we can quietly work on all the other things which are so shit with the club.

Yes MM can improve with his media liaisons, yesterday wasnt an issue.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 4:10 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
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He doesn't like MM?
Psych is one of Malthouses biggest supporters.
Yes it's OK to have an opinion but when it's not a positive comment, you're a "hater" or you hold a grudge.

Malthouse is abrupt and rude to the media. The problem is, that's the grab most people see on the news or football shows. It doesn't paint the club in a positive light.
It's just one of the little things that contribute to the current malaise the club is in. Shit membership, shit performance, shit attitude to supporters and shit relationships.



The highlighted bit is the point at the presser...nothing else.
MM was quite calm I thought.

As for Psych being a lover of MM, I beg to differ. BV you conveniently forget the Psych does criticise MM so I dont know where the "MM supporter " cry comes from. Maybe convenient for you to say so.


That seems to be how it works around here. If you dare say something negative you're a hater with a track record of being critical. It's an easy label for those who are too lazy to debate the point. I've been a Pagan hater, a Waite hater and these days I'm a Malthouse hater. I'm just a hater in general. :lol:

Go back and have a look. Psych is one of Micks biggest supporters on this site. That doesn't mean he cant be critical when he believes MIck is out of line!
Of course. its obviously "convenient" for me to say so.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 4:43 pm 
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Kidding ourselves again every1 talking about umps BUT the 2nd quater 7goals 4 to 2goals also selwood and stevie j quiet game.A good team would have leatnt from lions game.


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Rexy wrote:
Lloyd just exposed Brock perfectly on TSFS.
Lost contact with his man Selwood purely to lack of agility


True but we should have had defensive cover at the stoppage. We needed a forward to push in and give us assistance. We are still very average at set plays. Our offensive and defensive structures are poor at kick ins and our ability to adapt at stoppages is terrible.
A number of times Geelong set up with all of their players boundary side at a number of forward 50 stoppages. Our players manned them up leaving a gaping hole in the corridor. At least one of their goals (Stokes 2nd quarter) was a result of us failing to adapt.
That is the stuff our coaches should be doing during the week. It is a basic defensive 50 play! The corridor must be defended correctly at a defensive 50 stoppage. Simple stuff which we should be better at. FFS, the coaches have these players 6 days a week.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:29 pm 
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It would have been easy to expect to lose and just play out the game but they tried hard all night.

Proud of the effort :clap:


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:49 pm 
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I've been a Pagan hater, a Waite hater and these days I'm a Malthouse hater.



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 9:00 pm 
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Apologies if this has been discussed - I haven't read all the pages in this thread.

I have read about the Menzel non-free, the runner and bounce that wasn't recalled.

The one that dropped my jaw that I haven't read about was Waite's on the wing. He tackled some bloke who clearly through the ball away. Both players ended up on the ground and Waite rolled over the top of him. Push in the back to Geelong.

Can't fathom that one.

My other comment is a criticism of the TV commentators for the way they got stuck in to Docherty for "blowing the game" with a poor kick in the last minutes. Flower me - the bloke played well and just missed a target. It happens.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 9:21 pm 
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My issue with MM is not with only this press conference, but with every press conference. He is petulant and beligerent to reasonable questions, not just dumb ones, as a supporter contributing to his million dollar salary i expect that when he gets reasonable questions he should give reasonable answers. And when we are 4/7 he needs to answer questions for supporters. HIs obsequiousness with ex players compared to his treatment of people "who have never played the game" is cringeworthy. He reminds me way to much of Sheedy for me to ever like him. Both dirty nasty Richmond thuggish back pockets, happy if everyone p$sses in their pocket but nasty if challenged, tigers don't change their stripes


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