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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:18 am 
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I think BV summed it up best a few weeks ago:

It's 2003 all over again.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:20 am 
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CK95 wrote:
I think BV summed it up best a few weeks ago:

It's 2003 all over again.


It just shows how incredibly thick management are - they don't learn.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:32 am 
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Don't think its as bad as 2003.
We can recover, and recover quickly, but we must do everything right.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:51 am 
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Waite for me.. wrote:
thegezman wrote:
I'll still watch games on telly, but I'm not investing a cent in this club, or any emotional energy until they play some kids, start rebuilding and playing with some heart.

This group are not worth the pain any more.

Thank god I have other interests and avenues of enjoyment in life. I actually prefer watching other teams play as a netural supporter where you can enjoy the skill, natural talent, hardwork and teamwork of players who play for each other.

Being a stkilda supporter would be more enjoyable as they play some hungry talented kids and unashamedly rebuild.

We on the other hand are deluded.

I'd rather bottom out entirely and start again.


x2 Gez - it's soooooo concerning.

My 5yo and 3yo asks every morning after a night game 'how'd we go dad?' I hate seeing his face after I tell him, especially when his little mate is a Hawks supporter and is trying to convert him... BOOOOOOO


I think my little man is going to be a GWS giant.

Don't think I could live with the guilt of making him a blue.

Side benefit is I can take him to the odd day out here in Canberra without out fear of disappointment.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:56 am 
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I remember reading an article on Kevin Sheedy where he said when he came to Essendon* they still hadn't got over the 1968 GF loss to Carlton. That he (and others) had to turn the whole culture and attitude around, that at Essendon* they still after years of mediocrity considered themselves a great club, when in fact they were crap and living in the past. Sound familiar?

Carlton is best f^&% the rest. Now there's a blue print for you.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:02 am 
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Dominator_7 wrote:
Don't think its as bad as 2003.
We can recover, and recover quickly, but we must do everything right.


everything right?

what about just getting the basics right on field first???

work rate, 1%ers, leadership, team sacrificial acts etc...

I would start there with some home truths to the players....and its critical that the PLAYERS do the soul searching. This is their problem, they need to develop solutions and take responsibility for their performances out on the ground.

If they don't like Aussie rules or the carlton football club - that's fine, go somewhere else and play, or take up darts or golf....

BUT DONT masquerade in the great carlton Jumper and soil the soul of the warriors who bled and sweated for the club in its past..

The Dominator put his neck out before the start of the season and said that Mick malthouse has made the carlton football club a happy place to be in, and that he expects a big season this year....

what would Bruce Doull be thinking - we know he wouldn't say anything - but what would he be thinking?

I know that Peter Dean would love to be still playing in this great jumper

Even the Super Brat and Borg


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:05 am 
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club29 wrote:
The fans have to take some of the responsibility too I reckon. The Bomber fans have shown us how to unite as one. We haven't done that for years. People in charge sh1t themselves over every decision. Lynch mobs everywhere. We have been crap since fan forums took off. We will get nowhere no matter who is in charge with our attitude. We are part of the clubs culture that is poison and it filters through to the playing culture.

- The people in charge should realise they are making too many errors to hold their spots and relieve themselves of their roles.
- Mick should see out his contract as a coach who is setting up a list for the next coach.
- Build a new list around Henda, Murphy, Gibbs, Thomas and Kruezer.
- We should unite as one and support the new crew. We wont get anywhere until we do this.


Unite behind what?

I pay about $750 a year for a membership and turn up every week. What else can a supporter actually do? It's not like we have any say as to what happens with the board.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:07 am 
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I think it's worse than 2003 simply because our playing list is in much better shape than it was back then.

There should be no bloody excuses at all for what happened last night. NONE!


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:11 am 
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club29 wrote:
- We should unite as one and support the new crew. We wont get anywhere until we do this.


I agree with what you say but your comment above seems to be the major issue at hand. We need new crew however the constraints make this difficult. In the past I believe Carlton supporters do get behind change i.e. Collo's ticket is one example.

However we should not have to put up with the same people making the same poor decisions over and over again. How do we get a new crew? Wait for Sticks to hand pick them? Is that a new crew or more bad decisions from the current crew?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:11 am 
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Franc de Borges wrote:
Our window is open, and I'm about to jump head first out of it.

:grin:

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:12 am 
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gerry atric wrote:
I think in 2007 us and Bombers fought out the wooden spoon and then in 2011 we thrashed them in a final, and now look where both teams are.



...and beat them by nearly 100 less than 2 years ago.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:15 am 
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Braithy wrote:
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ˆˆ to be fair, I think we have completely bottomed out.


You know what Braithy, I don't think we have. :yikes:


I know, as soon as I typed that I looked at our schedule. If we don't beat Melbourne next week we could realistically be 0 and 8 heading into our bye week.

Bulldogs, pies and eagles will take us to the woodshed. And on current form St kilda will probably do us too.


The worry I have is we will win a couple of games, add in a couple of handy performances and everything will be okay.

When will the people at Carlton realise how bad we are? The comments by MM last night really worried me. Didn't realise how bad we are??

I listen to Swann on the radio and everything is fine?? Is that what we really think? Supporters at the game yesterday were expecting us to lose and lose badly. It wasn't a surprise to most of us. WTF is going on?????????????????????

We have a enough talent to win a few games but we are so far off top 4 its scary. It's not only that but the effort and lack of care that is it for me.

Kernahan needs to go, Swann needs to go (or at best keep out of football decisions) and McKay definitely needs to go. That's just the start. :banghead:

PS I am also still angry with the Thomas trade. When we start recruiting Collingwood Premiership players our culture has hit an all time low!

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:18 am 
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Cretylus wrote:
1%ers


Carlton had 47 1%'ers to Essendon*'s 35.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:19 am 
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grrofunger wrote:
bluegirl72 wrote:
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We're officially Richmond. A season and 3 games in and we turn on the coach.

He didn't recruit Rowe, Ellard, Bell, Curnow, White or Tuohy or even Robinson. Try hard plodders the lot of them. That's 1/3 of our team! Plodders! Nothing special about them. Can't hit targets, miss easy goals, fumble, drop chest marks.... We recruit these guys and then we blame the coach?


I f that were true,
then Hinkley could not have turned around the rabble that was Port.
Generally seen as hopeless by all fans and other clubs.
I reckon the coach HAS to take quite a bit of responsibility for this.


hinkley has a shitload more to work with

they have recruited so much better than us

ports list shits all over ours



Funny because no one wanted the port job.
Hinkley was the last resort, that's how good their list looked.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:19 am 
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Also the whole playing personalities thing needs to be adjusted.

Hearing that rowe is getting AFL minutes over Cas, despite being an inferior player and much, much less of a prospect, but a better 'personality' than what casboult is.

That stuff sticks in my craw. We're here to win, not play favourites. (Which is a big knock on Malthouse's entire career, re plays his favourites).


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:21 am 
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The bombers are not 81 points better than us.

FMD - 3/4 time we were winning the taps at close to a 3:1 margin and were getting smashed. Imagine if the bombers had broken even in the ruck. We deserved to lose by 100+

If we play like that again, Melbourne might win next week...


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:21 am 
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Cretylus wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
bluegirl72 wrote:
doofdoof wrote:
We're officially Richmond. A season and 3 games in and we turn on the coach.

He didn't recruit Rowe, Ellard, Bell, Curnow, White or Tuohy or even Robinson. Try hard plodders the lot of them. That's 1/3 of our team! Plodders! Nothing special about them. Can't hit targets, miss easy goals, fumble, drop chest marks.... We recruit these guys and then we blame the coach?


I f that were true,
then Hinkley could not have turned around the rabble that was Port.
Generally seen as hopeless by all fans and other clubs.
I reckon the coach HAS to take quite a bit of responsibility for this.


hinkley has a shitload more to work with

they have recruited so much better than us

ports list shits all over ours



I can't recall anyone saying that in 2012, when port were almost in receivership, and had the AFLs poorest list. The basket case of the afl.

They came out in the 2013 season and won their first 5 games, under Hinkley. Almost made the preliminary final after pushing the cats in their final.

I recall asking many people whether they thought ports list was better than Carlton's at the start of 2013, and not one thought they were.

This should tell us something about our club and its culture over the past decade.....


Sorry just read your post, but I'm glad someone else remembers


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:30 am 
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redback wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
bluegirl72 wrote:
doofdoof wrote:
We're officially Richmond. A season and 3 games in and we turn on the coach.

He didn't recruit Rowe, Ellard, Bell, Curnow, White or Tuohy or even Robinson. Try hard plodders the lot of them. That's 1/3 of our team! Plodders! Nothing special about them. Can't hit targets, miss easy goals, fumble, drop chest marks.... We recruit these guys and then we blame the coach?


I f that were true,
then Hinkley could not have turned around the rabble that was Port.
Generally seen as hopeless by all fans and other clubs.
I reckon the coach HAS to take quite a bit of responsibility for this.


hinkley has a shitload more to work with

they have recruited so much better than us

ports list shits all over ours



I can't recall anyone saying that in 2012, when port were almost in receivership, and had the AFLs poorest list. The basket case of the afl.

They came out in the 2013 season and won their first 5 games, under Hinkley. Almost made the preliminary final after pushing the cats in their final.

I recall asking many people whether they thought ports list was better than Carlton's at the start of 2013, and not one thought they were.

This should tell us something about our club and its culture over the past decade.....


Sorry just read your post, but I'm glad someone else remembers


Just shows it can change and change quickly IF you have the right people in charge.

Don't underestimate how much influence Alan Richardson had when Ratten was coach then as part of the Port rebuild. He is a first class coach who has a poor St Kilda side playing good hard team football.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:32 am 
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Is it any wonder with Sticks "the top up, we're close, we can pinch a flag with this list" Kernahan in charge of this club and it's football direction since 1997.

He should be asked to flower off right now, and the current Board as well, otherwise we will just sugar coat and overate where we are as a club AGAIN and make the same flowering mistakes all over again.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:35 am 
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Effes wrote:
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1%ers


Carlton had 47 1%'ers to Essendon**'s 35.


tackles were about even at 57 to 51 in our favour and the contested ball was about even at 123 to 125.

Inside 50 was 55 to 29 in essendons favour

And marks inside 50 were 21 to 7 in their favour

They had more of the ball with about 450 possessions to our 317.

What does that tell you???

(1%ers are measured differently by every club, some include pressure acts some don't - what did you think of our harassing and pressure acts last night? Very impressive intensity and team related acts by the boys wasn't it Effes??? I know I was impressed - I have never seen anything like it in my life)

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