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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:00 pm 
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I'd like to see Bootsma get some more games, until Docherty is ready. May well not make it at AFL level, but he's one of our few genuinely talented kids we've got on our list.


Bootsma will never play again for the navy blue. And this has nothing to do with his ability more to do with a falling out with some senior players which I classify as school yard bullying by them


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:01 pm 
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trublu wrote:
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I'd like to see Bootsma get some more games, until Docherty is ready. May well not make it at AFL level, but he's one of our few genuinely talented kids we've got on our list.


Bootsma will never play again for the navy blue. And this has nothing to do with his ability more to do with a falling out with some senior players which I classify as school yard bullying by them


Was he handcuffed to Scotto?


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:26 pm 
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If Boots is afraid of our senior core, no wonder he isn't playing.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:41 am 
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..yes he did, and Judd nearly got his third Charlie, in fact bwuce was already tasting 'triple brownlow medallist judd' on for size midway thru the season.. ....but after four years carrying the team and getting smashed inside, we broke the Judd,, and now with Real heat on to murphos he can't mimic his form since Judd is no longer in his prime.. ..yes murphos has been injured, but prior to the injuries the cracks were showing.. .don't ever under estimate the mountain of work Judd did, and the easy ride others had because of it.. ..we shall see over the nex year or two how badly we will miss Judd.. ..hell, watch how much a cooked Judd will improve us when he returns to some form..

Judd??? How come he's not Juddles or Juddlet or Judderos or Juddeski or something?

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Looks like Mick can officially start the reno...

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/m ... zqruy.html

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George Harris wrote:
Looks like Mick can officially start the reno...

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/m ... zqruy.html


There is a problem in its self....

Clubs should always be rebuilding and refining the list, and in fact all aspects of the organization.

I recall a former president of carlton, saying in public that "we never rebuild at carlton"

Mick should have been looking at refining and improving our list even before he was officially appointed.

Instead when preseason started on nov 1st 2012, mick had to go on a book launching tour.

2012 was yet another wasted season for our club. And this season is panning out in the same way.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:10 am 
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This loss is the loss we had to have. Now the spotlight is on the club. Problem is I am sure the board is running around in circles - screaming what do we do what do we do?

First thing I want is a total review of the recruiting team by someone external. I am sure MM will have a lot to add and the current recruiting staff will know where we are behind the other clubs in terms of resources. Until we get recruiting sorted I am not confident we can bring young talent to this club. We need to make sure it is fully resourced and there are no weaknesses to help us get back using the 2014 draft and beyond with some confidence. Any changes must be implemented in the next few weeks.

Then a review of player payments in the salary cap versus performance. Why our salary cap is at a maximum is questionable. I would not be signing any new deals until we develop a structure and protocol for player payments.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:13 am 
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Cretylus wrote:
George Harris wrote:
Looks like Mick can officially start the reno...

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/m ... zqruy.html


There is a problem in its self....

Clubs should always be rebuilding and refining the list, and in fact all aspects of the organization.

I recall a former president of carlton, saying in public that "we never rebuild at carlton"

Mick should have been looking at refining and improving our list even before he was officially appointed.

Instead when preseason started on nov 1st 2012, mick had to go on a book launching tour.

2012 was yet another wasted season for our club. And this season is panning out in the same way.

I'm angry myself but even if Mick hadn't gone on the tour there's not much we could've done. We had no money. That was when the AFL decided to change the rules mid contract and we had to have Judd's extras in the cap.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:23 am 
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Kernahan: "We were hamstrung by a couple of contracts ...."


C'mon Stephen you approved Carrazzo's and Waite's 3 year deals, and gave Judd an obscenely over the top amount for a 1 year deal, so don't cry about being hamstrung over a couple of contracts. :roll:



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:43 am 
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AGRO wrote:
Kernahan: "We were hamstrung by a couple of contracts ...."


C'mon Stephen you approved Carrazzo's and Waite's 3 year deals, and gave Judd an obscenely over the top amount for a 1 year deal, so don't cry about being hamstrung over a couple of contracts. :roll:



Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/m ... z2yEo9YwM9


They'll be hamstrung by the Thomas contract too - they are that @#$%&! thick that they never learn!

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“The rest of us, and we’re one of those, we’re caught in that bracket ... are we approaching 11 o’clock? I would say that we’re approaching 11 o’clock,” Malthouse said.

“Part way through the season we’ve got to say, well, some sides aren’t near [that], and we want to be progressing through 11 o’clock.

“And I don’t see any reason why that can’t be the case.

‘’I haven’t got a crystal ball but we’ve got a very good blend of senior players and we’ve got a good blend in the middle.”

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:04 am 
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How much is Thomas on


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Andain wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
George Harris wrote:
Looks like Mick can officially start the reno...

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/m ... zqruy.html


There is a problem in its self....

Clubs should always be rebuilding and refining the list, and in fact all aspects of the organization.

I recall a former president of carlton, saying in public that "we never rebuild at carlton"

Mick should have been looking at refining and improving our list even before he was officially appointed.

Instead when preseason started on nov 1st 2012, mick had to go on a book launching tour.

2012 was yet another wasted season for our club. And this season is panning out in the same way.

I'm angry myself but even if Mick hadn't gone on the tour there's not much we could've done. We had no money. That was when the AFL decided to change the rules mid contract and we had to have Judd's extras in the cap.


WhT do you mean we don't have money?

When collo took over to clean up the Elliott mess, we had a total revenue of about 20 million dollars per year and a debt of about 23 million.

We now generate 47 million dollars per year and have a 6 million dollar debt.

It's not about money. Mick is close to the highest paid coach in the league. Our total player payments must be at a minimum of 92% of the salary cap anyway.

We also have one of the richest board directors in Australia.

If we had a competent CEO and visionary president, we would have chased the personnel we needed in a smart and honest manner. Our only problem would have been whether people wanted to come to us. This never use to be a problem. It is now. I M surprised mick signed on after taking a year off. I suppose nobody else would hire mick in today's game,

We did.

And for big dollars....and we also inherited Robert Wiley, as a director of development and coaching. Wrong position for Wiley in my opinion. I would have started Wiley off as an assistant coach or bull ants coach.

I think the only good appointment we have done recently was Dean Laidely. I just wish mick listened to him on game day. Laidley very good with match ups and positional moves on game day.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:09 am 
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How much is Thomas on


Double what betts was on

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:19 am 
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So we are guessing and stating as fact, nothing has changed.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:20 am 
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Cretylus wrote:
It's not about money. Mick is close to the highest paid coach in the league. Our total player payments must be at a minimum of 92% of the salary cap anyway.


You are new around here but for future reference clubs must pay a minimum of 95%.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:26 am 
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Trigger wrote:
So we are guessing and stating as fact, nothing has changed.



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:27 am 
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doofdoof wrote:
Trigger wrote:
So we are guessing and stating as fact, nothing has changed.



its how we roll on footy forums

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:42 am 
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Cretylus wrote:
Andain wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
George Harris wrote:
Looks like Mick can officially start the reno...

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/m ... zqruy.html


There is a problem in its self....

Clubs should always be rebuilding and refining the list, and in fact all aspects of the organization.

I recall a former president of carlton, saying in public that "we never rebuild at carlton"

Mick should have been looking at refining and improving our list even before he was officially appointed.

Instead when preseason started on nov 1st 2012, mick had to go on a book launching tour.

2012 was yet another wasted season for our club. And this season is panning out in the same way.

I'm angry myself but even if Mick hadn't gone on the tour there's not much we could've done. We had no money. That was when the AFL decided to change the rules mid contract and we had to have Judd's extras in the cap.


WhT do you mean we don't have money?

When collo took over to clean up the Elliott mess, we had a total revenue of about 20 million dollars per year and a debt of about 23 million.

We now generate 47 million dollars per year and have a 6 million dollar debt.

It's not about money. Mick is close to the highest paid coach in the league. Our total player payments must be at a minimum of 92% of the salary cap anyway.

We also have one of the richest board directors in Australia.

If we had a competent CEO and visionary president, we would have chased the personnel we needed in a smart and honest manner. Our only problem would have been whether people wanted to come to us. This never use to be a problem. It is now. I M surprised mick signed on after taking a year off. I suppose nobody else would hire mick in today's game,

We did.

And for big dollars....and we also inherited Robert Wiley, as a director of development and coaching. Wrong position for Wiley in my opinion. I would have started Wiley off as an assistant coach or bull ants coach.

I think the only good appointment we have done recently was Dean Laidely. I just wish mick listened to him on game day. Laidley very good with match ups and positional moves on game day.



how do u know laidley is any good anymore?
and how do u know laidley is not being listened to.?


and whats mckays role in all this???

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:49 am 
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woof wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
It's not about money. Mick is close to the highest paid coach in the league. Our total player payments must be at a minimum of 92% of the salary cap anyway.


You are new around here but for future reference clubs must pay a minimum of 95%.


thanks for that - used to be 92% from memory

I make a formal public apology to TC, and in particular the participants of this thread.

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I think we as a collective have learned something very valuable in here today ladies and gentlemen

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:58 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
Andain wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
George Harris wrote:
Looks like Mick can officially start the reno...

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/m ... zqruy.html


There is a problem in its self....

Clubs should always be rebuilding and refining the list, and in fact all aspects of the organization.

I recall a former president of carlton, saying in public that "we never rebuild at carlton"

Mick should have been looking at refining and improving our list even before he was officially appointed.

Instead when preseason started on nov 1st 2012, mick had to go on a book launching tour.

2012 was yet another wasted season for our club. And this season is panning out in the same way.

I'm angry myself but even if Mick hadn't gone on the tour there's not much we could've done. We had no money. That was when the AFL decided to change the rules mid contract and we had to have Judd's extras in the cap.


WhT do you mean we don't have money?

When collo took over to clean up the Elliott mess, we had a total revenue of about 20 million dollars per year and a debt of about 23 million.

We now generate 47 million dollars per year and have a 6 million dollar debt.

It's not about money. Mick is close to the highest paid coach in the league. Our total player payments must be at a minimum of 92% of the salary cap anyway.

We also have one of the richest board directors in Australia.

If we had a competent CEO and visionary president, we would have chased the personnel we needed in a smart and honest manner. Our only problem would have been whether people wanted to come to us. This never use to be a problem. It is now. I M surprised mick signed on after taking a year off. I suppose nobody else would hire mick in today's game,

We did.

And for big dollars....and we also inherited Robert Wiley, as a director of development and coaching. Wrong position for Wiley in my opinion. I would have started Wiley off as an assistant coach or bull ants coach.

I think the only good appointment we have done recently was Dean Laidely. I just wish mick listened to him on game day. Laidley very good with match ups and positional moves on game day.



how do u know laidley is any good anymore?
and how do u know laidley is not being listened to.?


and whats mckays role in all this???


all valid questions Mr S

You only need to look at whats been happening out on the ground to see that Laidley has very little input - especially from the box on game day.

Its possible that Laidley is all washed up, finished, gone down the drain, but how would we know if he isnt being utilised for the talents he was recruited for???

If you want to see the Malthouse philosophy in its grand mastery, see the 2011 GF.

Poor old Reid stayed onto Hawkins and was being mauled almost right up to the end of the game. He also kept Didac onto Scarlett for the whole game, and even in the last quarter wouldnt bring on the sub for Didac who was totally ineffective and even allowed Scarlett to influence the game from the back pocket.

As good as the cats were in the second half, I have no doubt that Mick's poor performance in the box that day (especially after the cats lost their full forward and were 5 goals up) was a big factor in their loss. Mick did it again in the first final of 2010 against the saints. Only an inexperienced and equally robotic game day coach in Lyon allowed the pies to draw that GF. Next week Saints were shot

But having said that I understand the malthouse philosophy which is similar to parkins - stable team, and show faith in his players.

I really havent seen the laidley input yet in any of our games. Moving Hendo from defense to the forward line doenst really count.

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