What choice do you have when no one is coming in for the handball and two Richmond players are closing in?

I agree with a lot of what you said. But "innumerate times"?? What does that mean? Are you sure he didn't find a target illiterate times?

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Sam Rowe - On Sydney's Rookie list in the mid 00s, gets delisted, but a few years after that, we pick him up with a 2nd Rounder #hughesmasterstroke

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Is Buckley eligible for a NAB rising star nomination?

Agree with most of that Rhino.

Ellard might stay, but its only until someone else is ready. Great heart, great tackler but too slow, too small, not damaging enough by foot and just doesn't win enough of the ball.

Monfries had 20 touches last week, so whilst stats aren't everything I wouldn't call it SFA. Touhy stays, purely for the fact that others need to go first.

Rowe, Robinson, Ellard, Mclean and Bell will all eventually go.

Bell has fans, but if we are honest he isn't overly quick, is a poor kick, not great awareness, lacks football smarts and is fumbly and poor in close. Gut feel is he's the kind if guy that at 25 or 26 we'll still be referring to him as "raw, and something to work with". Hope I'm wrong.

A lot of talk about the bomb long game plan. Whilst, I'm not necessarily disagreeing that it doesn't work, I'm not convinced that with this group an alternative would be any more successful especially if it involved keeping hold of the ball through precise possession and using the corridor to attack. So many poor users and dumb decision makers.

Whilst I'm not great raps for either, one of Casboult or Watson must play purely if its just for structural purposes, ie keeping Henderson back and playing Watson as the 3rd tall, playing Cas releasing Waite, and then playing just the on ruckman etc.

As has been said the positives were Bucks, Yarran, Menzel. Thought Murphy was good but needs some help. Everitt looked completely lost until given the job on Deledio, might be better suited with a role rather than a 'floater'.

Cripps, Docherty, Holman, Graham, Giles will all see some game time this year, but cant be expected to make the difference.

Team will benefit short term with Walker and Judd returning, as well as Thomas and Henderson getting stronger.

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I think so. Is it under 21 or 21 and under to be eligible? He turned 21 a couple of weeks ago.. But he is under the 10 game limit

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Didn't mind MM's presser either. Seems he's working to his own list of priorities.

Would be great if beating Dr Hirdstiens Frankenmonsters was one of them.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

Thanks for that, might be a big chance if he is eligible for this week

"As hard as Mick is trying"

Mick is getting paid a million dollars a year and yet its all the players fault?
Look at 95% of the posts here. It's all the players fault or the recruiters fault.

Answer me some basic questions. I watch John Barker being interviewed before the game and he won't say whether Kruezer is playing or not. Why are we trying to keep it secret whether an average player is in the side and yet we're happy to let them know exactly how we're going to move the ball once the game starts. Everyone knows Mick wants to move the ball wide out of defence and the opposition can spend all week setting up structures to counter it. Why don't we just send them a video of our running patterns in advance so they can concentrate on next weeks game in advance.
But no, we keep them fooled by not knowing whether Matthew Kruezer is playing. Masterful.

Another question. Why do we play a rigid game style of kicking to contests when the overwhelming majority of the other 17 teams are playing to a philosophy of retaining possession? They play to structures that create space and allow players to utilise that space but the reality is, the players have licence to create, run and make decisions. Our players are not coached to make good decisions, they're coached to do what they're told. Kick to contests.

Another question. The majority of goals in the AFL are the result of opposition turnovers. Why do we play a game style that creates contested situations which in turn give the opposition a 50/50 opportunity to win the ball back?
How crazy is that. We have 100% possession and we are told to kick it to situations where we are slightly better than 50% chance of retaining the ball at best!

Another question. How do we expect our players to roll up the ground when we have the ball and structure a press when they know the ball is a 50/50 chance of coming back over their heads. Have a look at the first couple of minutes of last nights second quarter for example. Carlton win the ball in the back half and Zac Tuohy runs off half back. He has 3 Carlton players running with him in the corridor. The other 17 teams would utilise those spare men, run, carry, draw the defenders and create a spare runner to have time and space to deliver. Whats more, those players can form a structural press to retain the ball forward until a score eventuates.

Instead of all that, Zac Tuohy goes wide to an option that requires a very difficult kick to retain possession. The ball is turned over at half back, the Tigers bring it into the corridor and our players who have run to assist, worked hard to press up the ground are out of position. The result, the Tiges get it forward, retain it there and score a goal before it comes out.
What's the answer? Either our players are instructed not to press up like the other 17 teams and we play a more antiquated style than we already are. Or, we continue to kick to contests and have our players out of position.

Experience tells me that if you ask people to consistently do something that is unsuccessful, they'll eventually lose confidence and stop taking risks. They won't run, they won't create, they'll simply try to minimise mistakes. Thats where we were under Pagan and thats where we are on a fast track to now.

Mick might be trying but its not enough. He needs to progress, innovate and understand that 5 years in footy is a lifetime. What worked last year is becoming antiquated yet we're trying to reinvent 2010. Thats a lifetime ago and we're dying a slow death finding out.

The first half last night was Micks stubbornness. The second half was his reality check.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

Loved the presser.

"Journo": "Tom Bell's taken another step".

Mick: "In which direction?"

Pisser.

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..........yeah, caught that, particularly liked the delivery.


...........and the clip he gave Waite was just right. A guy of his abilities and experience should be able to give us some stability at either end when needed.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

1) Re Lucas - he did really well to get away. Stuffed it with the kick to no-one but, yes, there was no-one to kick to. What he SHOULd have done is given it off earlier to Waite (I think) who was leading towards the boundary and then continued to run through on the inside to draw the ball again or an opponent to free up the cavalry that was (slowly) arriving through the corridor...

2) Buckley - I wasn't expecting all that much. He could be the new Simpson.

3) Rowe was better than people seem to think in terms of his positioning and his assistance with the structure. but his lack of awareness really let him down.

4) Robbo was trying to control his auto-kick. Better but still not good.

5) Bell extracted the ball beautifully at one point, I think in the 3rd qtr. Does some great things. Then undoes them. Hopefully, he'll learn...

6) When Daisy lifted in the 3rd, so did the whole team - interesting.

7) There is just no excuse for missing so many (or any!) goals from within 20m, in the arc...

McLean out for next week. Walker in. Maybe Ellard for Cripps? Would like to see Cripps really earn it though...

It was my departed mother's birthday yesterday, so I was wishing for a Blues win but I know she would have been proud of the boy's efforts in a close loss, as mum used to say - it's not whether we win or lose - it's how we play the game next time around.

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The biggest mistake the club could make is giving MM another contract.

Incredibly stubborn. The ego of these people is amazing.

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Lets hope they don't give him another contract. Have another hungry up and coming coach lined up and make the swap quick and seamless.

Mick has been terrible at Carlton.

We won't be able to get rid of Mick until his contract ends.
If we are going down the rebuild road, then hopefully we won't resign him.
Honestly at this stage, I 'd make a play for Bomber and Roos.
Roos is what we need to rebuild confidence.
Bomber cos he'll never let corrupt stuff happen on his watch again, and because I much prefer the style of cats and bummers to MM's approach.
Eventually I'd like to see an innovative young coach and staff. (hello blueman!)
I'd like to not see Brad Green and Wiley etc.
In a year or so....a new fresh Carlton.
If it happens with this crew now, fantastic. But..changes must come.

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I have thought for a long time that Clarkson will be Carlton coach one day.

No evidence, just the vibe.

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Same sort of vibe that Ian Aitken felt 27 years ago at "The Oval".

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Mick has been ok. If he had the cattle he needed to play his way, we'd have won a lot more games and would be in the mix of it this year.

It's hard to go to war with meticulously groomed and impeccably dressed gentlemen wearing ladies under garments. You need warriors, not pansies.

Our list, their attitude, their surreally sized comfort zone and their utter lack of development are the bigger issues at CFC. Not Mick M.

Yes it is all Mick's fault
His only the first coach we have had since 2002 who has made us defend
Give me that any day than Ratten's glory boy down hill skiing
Remember half this forum said our 2012 was due to injuries, well our current results prove that it wasn't and we are not losing by 10 goals
Is Mick outdated?, maybe he needs some young coaches around him but if you think this group can play the Hawthorn precision kicking game you are dreaming
I will take Mick's ego any day, at least he is honest about his playing list and turned over 25% of it quickly. And he is our best recruiter. It his personal touch to get Everitt across the line
Mick's doing all the heavy lifting that should have been done by Ratten, Hughes, Kernahan and Swan.
I get a sense if we stick with him for 4 or 5 years, he will have fixed the list and taught the young kids the hardness and discipline required
He is worth his million, the next coach should have a great launching pad