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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 9:42 am 
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There will be 2 changes
White for McInnes
Buckley for Walker

I think its a 50/50 game.. We have mental edge over them though and if we win will give us big confidence booster for the drug cheats game


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 11:18 am 
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Cripps not ready?

btw, I'm not sure Buckley in for Walker adds pace... it is an overall loss of ability.
I like Buckley and happy to have him come in but very much doubt he will be able to contribute anywhere near what Walker can do, certainly not in the short term.

White/McInnes = same/same, for mine.

Finally, memo to Murphy, Malthouse and the rest of the boys who have developed a noticeable case of pussyitis since last year: Selwood has hardly done any serious training since January and yet came in, busted his gut and was BOG.
Compare this with our boys performance against Port and Mathouse's soft excuse.
Port Adelaide spend all summer trumpting how fit they are; we go into the match complaining that we're underdone. How do you think the players were feeling heading into the final quarter!!!
HTFU!!


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:03 pm 
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Not at all confident about this one.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:14 pm 
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All this talk on the worth or otherwise of Kruse and Knockers got me thinking about Jacobs.

His stats for the game against Geelong: 19 disposals; 8 marks, 2 contested; 1 goal; 2 score assists; 26 hitouts, adv15%.

Okay, his hitouts to advantage stat isn't too impressive, although he still won more ruck contests than any other ruckman (next best McIntosh 19) but, oh to have a ruckman that can take 8 marks and gather 19 possessions. It's no good crying over spilt milk but, I never wanted him to go, at the time I would have rather lost Hammer or Knockers.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:37 pm 
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cortez wrote:
All this talk on the worth or otherwise of Kruse and Knockers got me thinking about Jacobs.

His stats for the game against Geelong: 19 disposals; 8 marks, 2 contested; 1 goal; 2 score assists; 26 hitouts, adv15%.

Okay, his hitouts to advantage stat isn't too impressive, although he still won more ruck contests than any other ruckman (next best McIntosh 19) but, oh to have a ruckman that can take 8 marks and gather 19 possessions. It's no good crying over spilt milk but, I never wanted him to go, at the time I would have rather lost Hammer or Knockers.


He wanted to go home - we had no choice.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:38 pm 
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cortez wrote:
All this talk on the worth or otherwise of Kruse and Knockers got me thinking about Jacobs.

His stats for the game against Geelong: 19 disposals; 8 marks, 2 contested; 1 goal; 2 score assists; 26 hitouts, adv15%.

Okay, his hitouts to advantage stat isn't too impressive, although he still won more ruck contests than any other ruckman (next best McIntosh 19) but, oh to have a ruckman that can take 8 marks and gather 19 possessions. It's no good crying over spilt milk but, I never wanted him to go, at the time I would have rather lost Hammer or Knockers.


..water under the bridge, but suffice to say we never should have traded for a developing knockers on big coin long term when we just spent two years using pp on rucks..

..as for Jacobs, the knock on him at the time was he is good tap but slow dinosaur around the ground.. ..when actually he is an average tap and yes slow but has good around the ground work ethic.. ..krooz has those kind of games and better often enough but only if he plays as first ruck, I believe pick one for him was good, not backing him in to play as what we recruited him for was folly, as soon as we traded in knockers we upset everything..

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 1:26 pm 
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tap in 79 wrote:
Adam Chatfield wrote:
I would give Robbo the game this week and if his disposal is still as bad as last week, banish him to Northern


Robbo goes in at 100%

In my opinion (and at the end of the day it is all opinion as the coach has the final say) you can't get rid of one of the few players who has intensity in their attack on the ball and the opposition.

Give me a few dud disposals from Robbo over someone like McLean who shirks the issue, is one-speed, avoids tackles, and is more suited to soccer going by what he did on the weekend.


Robbo cost us the game - his disposal in the first half when the game was to be one was a constant momentum killer - no point going hard for the ball if you are going to give it right back to the opposition.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 1:31 pm 
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I think 3 changes...

Ins: Cripps, Holman, White,

Out: Walker, Robinson, Laidley


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 1:45 pm 
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4thchicken wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
Adam Chatfield wrote:
I would give Robbo the game this week and if his disposal is still as bad as last week, banish him to Northern


Robbo goes in at 100%

In my opinion (and at the end of the day it is all opinion as the coach has the final say) you can't get rid of one of the few players who has intensity in their attack on the ball and the opposition.

Give me a few dud disposals from Robbo over someone like McLean who shirks the issue, is one-speed, avoids tackles, and is more suited to soccer going by what he did on the weekend.


Robbo cost us the game - his disposal in the first half when the game was to be one was a constant momentum killer - no point going hard for the ball if you are going to give it right back to the opposition.


Robbo picks and chooses when he goes 100%. Really noticed it last week. Sits back a lot and watches. Doesn't do the little things well and his decision making is way below AFL level.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 2:03 pm 
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Thats a bit unfair on Robbo.

I think there is a confusion of when you can dive (ie crack in) on the ball as they ping you on that now. That was his strength before they changed the ruling. (Unless if you are Selwood of course)

His disposal is absolutely shocking though.

If I were Malthouse I would instruct him to get the ball and immediately handball it to a team mate.

He just doesnt think, kicks it for the sake of kicking it long. He is not alone mind you, they all seem to just panick.

When was the last time we actually kicked it to a leading player ? I cant remember the time really.

Such a basic football thing I would have thought. Keep on kicking it on players heads. So Frustrating.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 2:15 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:
I think 3 changes...

Ins: Cripps, Holman, White,

Out: Walker, Robinson, Laidley

Laidley?


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 3:19 pm 
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tap in 79 wrote:
Adam Chatfield wrote:
I would give Robbo the game this week and if his disposal is still as bad as last week, banish him to Northern


Robbo goes in at 100%

In my opinion (and at the end of the day it is all opinion as the coach has the final say) you can't get rid of one of the few players who has intensity in their attack on the ball and the opposition.

Give me a few dud disposals from Robbo over someone like McLean who shirks the issue, is one-speed, avoids tackles, and is more suited to soccer going by what he did on the weekend.

McLean has been playing football since 2004. This means it is his 11th year of football and he has never been elite. He is lucky he has lasted in the system this long. I hope he makes the most of this year for his sake.


McLean plays 1 bad game ... and the axe is called. Basically McLean has been our most consistent player for 2 years. He rarely makes a bad decision. He usually gets plenty of the ball. He sets an example for the others ... e.g. When he stepped out of the Richmond final.

I reckon he is one of the first five or six to go on the team sheet.

Would be amazed if Dr Strangelove dropped him! ... but then ... nothing should be a surprise with the Dr and the MC. Whatever decision they make I know it will be in their best interest ... err ... the clubs best interest.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 3:23 pm 
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We have to change our game plan , we have to try and copy cats,hawks style.I said the same thing last year. No more long bombs please. As for changes we need pace buckly bootsma, white is as slow as macca.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 3:26 pm 
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pew1 wrote:
We have to change our game plan , we have to try and copy cats,hawks style.I said the same thing last year. No more long bombs please. As for changes we need pace buckly bootsma, white is as slow as macca.


The bomb is great ... the bomb is special. Learn to love the bomb tactic. Sooner or later it will work.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 5:02 pm 
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As far as the bomb goes I think we'll get a mix of both. Malthouse is Malthouse, he likes the boundary and stoppages. But he also isn't blind to advantages of taking the corridor either. A mix of both throughout the season is my guess. For sure this team needs to find its balance, but its been drilled in both avenues of going forward over the last few seasons. Also different teams we face have different styles of play. With some teams no doubt we will be boundary line focused the entire game, this of coarse will bring the condemnation of the fans that we're too one dimensional. Other teams we face we'll need to adjust and use the corridor more often. I think until our hand and foot skills improve greatly, simply copying Geelong and Hawthorns style of play is very risky. Teams like Geelong and Hawthorn really make you pay if your not clean with your possessions. They are probably the best in the business at rebounding goals.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 5:43 pm 
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pew1 wrote:
We have to change our game plan , we have to try and copy cats,hawks style.I said the same thing last year. No more long bombs please. As for changes we need pace buckly bootsma, white is as slow as macca.

When we have the ball we score well

Our issues remain a lack of run


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 6:01 pm 
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pew1 wrote:
We have to change our game plan , we have to try and copy cats,hawks style.I said the same thing last year. No more long bombs please. As for changes we need pace buckly bootsma, white is as slow as macca.


My takeaway from watching Round1 was that the pre-season long bomb strategy was a ruse. Our forward entries were much better than say the North pre-season game. It was getting smashed in the middle for most of the game that ended up killing us. Im not going to throw stones at Waite and others - it was Kreuzer being a poor second ruck in the game that cost us.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 6:02 pm 
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pew1 wrote:
We have to change our game plan , we have to try and copy cats,hawks style.I said the same thing last year. No more long bombs please. As for changes we need pace buckly bootsma, white is as slow as macca.


My takeaway from watching Round1 was that the pre-season long bomb strategy was a ruse. Our forward entries were much better than say the North pre-season game. It was getting smashed in the middle for most of the game that ended up killing us. Im not going to throw stones at Waite and others - it was Kreuzer being a poor second ruck in the game that cost us.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 6:50 pm 
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Ando the Wonderkid wrote:
pew1 wrote:
We have to change our game plan , we have to try and copy cats,hawks style.I said the same thing last year. No more long bombs please. As for changes we need pace buckly bootsma, white is as slow as macca.


My takeaway from watching Round1 was that the pre-season long bomb strategy was a ruse. Our forward entries were much better than say the North pre-season game. It was getting smashed in the middle for most of the game that ended up killing us. Im not going to throw stones at Waite and others - it was Kreuzer being a poor second ruck in the game that cost us.


..pick a ruck to blame.. ..you can't say we were getting smashed in the middle for most of the game and blame the second ruck..

..i'll give you a hot tip.. ..rucking, we beat port well.. ..our mids and flankers either can't or won't run.. ..our game plan requires hard honest selfless running.. ..we got smashed in the middle, at times,, because our set positions need work and cohesion.. ..but mostly cos we stopped working as a team, from the very beginning and most of the final quarter..

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:04 pm 
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kuchster wrote:
I think if we are to win this game and many others this year, we really need to address our lack of midfield speed and run.

A midfield consisting of Murph, Gibbs, McLean, Curnow, Bell and Robinson lacks speed. Too many similar players in that midfield group. I think you can keep the first four mentioned but need to start getting more games into a Lucas type to add a bit of speed and run and carry. Don't get me wrong, I love Robbo and Bell's toughness around the stoppages but I'm getting sick of our low uncontested possession counts. We have no spread or easy possessions, all our ball is won around the packs and is never quality disposal. Not to mention, our forwards are not up to a high enough standard to benefit from long bombs into the forward line with no quick ball movement.

We need to persist with guys like Watson and Menzel and get game time into them ASAP. Our lack of talent in our young stocks is staggering but not surprising given our lack of early picks of late. So we either get game time into them to see if we can fast track them.

Another issue I have is our use of the sub. We nearly always use the wrong type of player as sub. Bell coming off on the weekend was fine but this is when you want a hard running, ball finding type player to come on and make use of leg speed to carve up on the tiring opposition players. Not a knock on Menzel, but he isn't a huge possession gatherer.

Let's not kid ourselves, our list isn't as bad as the media is making out but we do have genuine issues that need sorting. We need more midfield speed (draft players like Isaac Smith in future drafts if possible). We need Hendo up forward and another quality key defender. We need to either find a ruck who can play forward eg a Hale type or we ruck Kreuzer solo with a pinch hitter as backup. We need to embrace the draft and replenish our young talent.


Excellent post. Agree with all points.

I think the most salient observation here is our lack of run and carry. Our balance of inside and outside is totally out of whack. I expressed grave doubts in last week's pre-game thread as to whether we could afford to play all of Bell, Robinson, McLean, Curnow and Ellard all in the one side and nothing from the Port Adelaide game allayed my concerns. And, as you say, neither Murphy nor Gibbs are particularly fast either (thought both can at least use the ball). Further, Carrazzo will probably be in the mix again soon and he falls into the same bracket as the aforementioned players, as does Cachia who Mick seems to like. And then of course there is Cripps who will be fighting for the same spot. They simply can't all play.

Murphy and Gibbs will always play while Curnow rightfully seems an established part of the side these days. Ellard played well against Port and if he can do that every week then he'll keep his spot. McLean deserves his spot as he has arguably been our most consistent player over the last two seasons. So I think we need to sacrifice some inside grunt for some outside run. The options are not exactly plentiful, but I think we need to play Lucas - he might turn it over a couple of times, but he can win the ball on the outside and give the team some run and carry. Nick Graham is another whose integration into the side probably needs to be fast-tracked. I think we also need to see a greater rotation of blokes like Touhy, Simpson and Yarran in the midfield than we see now.

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