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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:19 pm 
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limestone wrote:

I'm thinking the same with Robbos long kicking at all costs. Ratts taught him to look low and take the better option when possible, but he has gone back to the big boot, but its always. I think they are both following instructions.

What do you think ? I hope I'm wrong on both , because its @#$%&! aweful.


Not sure on the Robbo theory. Last year he got dropped and came back vs Richmond and notably more composed with ball in hand. Stop, think, look then kick.
Really think it's the mentality of some our players compounded in the heat of an AFL game, and then fatigue constricts us further.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:43 pm 
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Boring, I am a premiership coach. This is my agenda at the next meeting.

Probably not relevant.

This can be done in 40 minutes and before the warm up to start the trial, so please look to be in attendance by 2:00pm at the latest.

The discussion will include:

Kick out options
Defending against the oppositions kick outs
Center square options.
Positioning and hit out options at stoppages.
Defending options against an opposition run on.
Defending and attacking in windy conditions.
Wet weather options.
Likely use of the interchange.
Ball movement out of defence.
Ball movement in attack.
When to spread, when not to spread.
Calling for the ball.
Forward positioning.
Defensive positioning.
Midfield positioning at stoppages. (When to be in front)

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:48 pm 
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i liked the Facebook page today

'which blues player impressed you the most yesterday'

WTF !!?!?!

wrong mentality across the board

we got pumped

get @#$%&!


I don't really know what you wanted them to ask


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 12:04 am 
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I just hope our next win generates a thread of 11 pages of praise ...


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 12:12 am 
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Adam Chatfield wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
i liked the Facebook page today

'which blues player impressed you the most yesterday'

WTF !!?!?!

wrong mentality across the board

we got pumped

get @#$%&!


I don't really know what you wanted them to ask


nothing would have been better

some photo's from recovery even?

some team meeting photos?

anything behind the scenes as engagement would have been better than that question

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:09 am 
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many people are criticising our lack of effort and determination for our mediocre performances. I actually think our efforts under Malthouse have been okay.

for me a far bigger issue is a lack of quality and depth in the team. Having quality players in your bottom 6-8 players of the 22 wins premierships.

having too many plodders in our midfield is a ticket to nowhere. We simply cannot persist with Robinson, McLean, Curnow, Ellard, Carazzo and Bell in the same midfield. We might be competitive for a while but will be found out eventually. Too one paced with limited skills.

Unfortunately there is not a lot coming through, so to a certain extent our hands are tied. What Malthouse could start doing is giving game time to players like Cripps, Menzel and Graham. Then hopefully we pull back and start relying on the draft and player development to get us out of this hole.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:32 am 
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WOW wrote:
many people are criticising our lack of effort and determination for our mediocre performances. I actually think our efforts under Malthouse have been okay.

for me a far bigger issue is a lack of quality and depth in the team. Having quality players in your bottom 6-8 players of the 22 wins premierships.

having too many plodders in our midfield is a ticket to nowhere. We simply cannot persist with Robinson, McLean, Curnow, Ellard, Carazzo and Bell in the same midfield. We might be competitive for a while but will be found out eventually. Too one paced with limited skills.

Unfortunately there is not a lot coming through, so to a certain extent our hands are tied. What Malthouse could start doing is giving game time to players like Cripps, Menzel and Graham. Then hopefully we pull back and start relying on the draft and player development to get us out of this hole.

We have a bit of a perfect storm of mediocrity at the moment.

- Players who were poor when drafted that we're trying to bleed improvement from
- Players who were good when drafted who have been poorly developed and gone nowhere
- Players who are talented but lacking ticker
- Players with ticker who make consistent dumb decisions

We're all over the shop

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:24 am 
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Well there you go. Hutchy recons we'll finish bottom six.
Monga actually had some sensible thing to say about MM and the list.

We'll have to wait and see.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:00 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
Well there you go. Hutchy recons we'll finish bottom six.
Monga actually had some sensible thing to say about MM and the list.

We'll have to wait and see.




Monga's point here in his article was a good one..

"Carlton needs to take a few steps back this year in unearthing as many young players as it can, with the end goal of developing players that the Blues believe are good enough to be in their next premiership side. This may mean playing youth ahead of seasoned players who can't get any better."


Menzel, Graham, Casboult, Docherty and some of the other recent young fellas are worthy of some investment in time on the ground.

If we move the chess pieces properly - put some knights and rooks in the right positions it will put the Blues back in business and I still think the Blues could challenge for the 6th-8th position on the ladder. Any higher and you are dreaming. It is a game of chess...put the wrong player in the wrong position and it can cost you the match. We saw that with Kreuzer and McLean on the weekend. These two usually play well against Richmond - do you persist with them for one more week? If so, who do you drop to get some youth into the team. There are a lot of considerations.

Get some of the youth in and it will add some enthusiasm. Some of the entitled plodders who think they are automatic selections for first grade need to play reserves.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:54 am 
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I've not read any of the comments or seen a replay of the game yet. And I don't pretend to be the most astute observer of the game, however these are the things that concerned me about Sunday's performance.

- We were very rusty, too many missed shots on goal and too many kicks into the man on the mark or smothered.
- Some of those smothers were due to Port's pressure, but some were just due to us being too slow to move the ball on.
- We can move the ball well, but rarely did we do it across the whole field. Inevitably we'd come undone in the F50.
- We haven't had a well oiled fwd line since who knows when. Perhaps since Brittain, why is our fwd structure always so poor?
- We don't run hard enough, still. Highlighted late in game in a one-on-one with Murphy and Wines. Embarrassing.
- We'd often tap the centre bounce back to a free player. Great when it works, but just gives Port momentum in their direction when it doesn't.
- Does anyone at Carlton realise Jared Polec plays for Port now?
- For many years it seems like we don't actually have a coach, such is our apparent inability to consistently hold a structure across a full game. Are our players too thick, too unfit or too up themselves?
- We did show some fight at times, but that last quarter was bloody awful.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:01 am 
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:19 am 
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1) We looked horrible in the last and at times throughout the match
2) We looked awesome in the first quarter - question is can that intensity be maintained throughout the match and how can we improve our structures/individual/team performance when our intensity dies down and the cracks appear
3) Yes, Daisy died out of the game and kicked poorly - but he had 3 or 4 shots at goal...
4) Kruezer as a bad forward is not so much the issue for me. The problem, rather, is that our primary forwards are not good enough for long enough often enough; and Kruezer is not performing as a ruckman when given the opportunity. If he was winning in the ruck, then it would be a bonus, not a requirement for him to kick a couple of goals when resting in the forward line.
5) Our game plan is not so bad - we smashed Port in the first quarter (although didn't put the score on the board) and stopped their run and regained momentum twice. Just couldn't do it late. It is undermined by poor decision making and execution (Robbo's sky balls; smothered kicks when on a roll; missed shots at goal....)
6) I'm also not as mystified as some about Port's fitness. I think 50% of it is them talking it up and everyone else buying it... and 40% is actually the number of our players who did not play at their best when it counted: we had several key players down or beaten on the day whereas they all performed as well as they could possibly expect, except Boak who was well held yet still managed to contribute when it counted.
7) Tactically, we need to get better in the coaches box - Port changed their forward structure because we were beating them but we weren't able to respond effectively.

ANYWAY, we now MUST win the next two matches or else our season is shot, for all intents and purposes. If we lose to two or more of Port, Rich & Ess then we are in every bit as much trouble as Lloyd, Hutchy etc... believe.
BUT, if we beat the Tigers and Bombers... LOOK OUT!!!!!!!!


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:22 am 
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idle wrote:
I just hope our next win generates a thread of 11 pages of praise ...

I expect its not just me who agrees with you


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 12:19 pm 
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bluebeard wrote:
Boring, I am a premiership coach. This is my agenda at the next meeting.

Probably not relevant.

This can be done in 40 minutes and before the warm up to start the trial, so please look to be in attendance by 2:00pm at the latest.

The discussion will include:

Kick out options
Defending against the oppositions kick outs
Center square options.
Positioning and hit out options at stoppages.
Defending options against an opposition run on.
Defending and attacking in windy conditions.
Wet weather options.
Likely use of the interchange.
Ball movement out of defence.
Ball movement in attack.
When to spread, when not to spread.
Calling for the ball.
Forward positioning.
Defensive positioning.
Midfield positioning at stoppages. (When to be in front)


Critical list I am sure....

But if the 1%ers are missing, or even down a little bit, then all these aspects to the game plane are irrelevant...

tackling pressure, blockages, helping team mates outs, sacrificial acts, work rate etc

The first things a good team looks at, and values. The rest will sort itself out with experience, preparation and planning

I am sure you enjoyed the last final we played against the Swans? 39 tackles, total for the whole match and the Swans had the ball at almost record levels.

This is a brutal contact sport, and a game of inches sometimes, a team needs to get the basics right - and sadly we rarely do. When we turn up to play with spirit, venom and intent, we play like a committed team and results usually follow with the talent that we have.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 12:23 pm 
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idle wrote:
I just hope our next win generates a thread of 11 pages of praise ...


Let's just hope the next win is sooner rather than later....


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 12:26 pm 
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Too many individuals running through the midfield. Alot of our problem is the lack of teamwork and understanding of positioning in clearance situations, we may get clearances but they aren't clean.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 12:40 pm 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
Well there you go. Hutchy recons we'll finish bottom six.
Monga actually had some sensible thing to say about MM and the list.

We'll have to wait and see.


So do I.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 12:47 pm 
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[quote="Blue Sombrero"]Well there you go. Hutchy recons we'll finish bottom six.[quote]

Hutchy. :roll:

I rank him below KB & Monga and that's saying something.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 1:00 pm 
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Doesn't KB just do comedy?

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