1st Semi Final: Sydney v Carlton (Post-match discussion)

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Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 17944

Synbad wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

So how does getting more midfielders fix the problem?
Its interesting, the past few years we've been middle of the road for uncontested possession and this year we're last.
Dead last. Yet apparently its because we're lacking midfielders. Yet our midfielders are still OK at winning the contested footy.

Sounds like a load of shit to me.

not midfielders.. hard running both way mids
how do they help?
they put pressure on the opposition.

were witches hats.. thats why we have these huge runs of goals kicked on us almost every week.

we apply VERY LITTLE PRESSURE through the midfield...

The good teams dont play llike that...

Juddy is one of the worst.. he rarely tracks back... and he and Murph set the tone for the others.

Yes thats all fine but our numbers have been alright until this year.
Why were we able to win possession previously and retain possession previously and yet we're suddenly unskilled and 18th in the competition for uncontested footy?

Why did it suddenly fall in a big hole this season? Anyone who thinks it isnt gameplan related is dreaming.
Thats not a knock on malthouse but lets be fair dinkum. He cant sit there and say we dont get enough footy when his game style is counterproductive to retaining possession.
You can have 20 midfielders out there. Basic mathematics tells me if you kick to a 50/50 out of defence, then kick to a 50/50 on the wing, you have a 25% chance of retaining possession to proceed with it. Considering our lack of tall marking options, those would be very optimistic outcomes.

We have to play to the strengths of our list. You cant build a list to suit a gamestyle that was highly successful 3 years ago.
By the time you achieve that, the evolution of the game will have left you well behind. Ask Pagan.

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

Blue Vain wrote:

Why did it suddenly fall in a big hole this season? Anyone who thinks it isnt gameplan related is dreaming.
Thats not a knock on malthouse but lets be fair dinkum. He cant sit there and say we dont get enough footy when his game style is counterproductive to retaining possession.
You can have 20 midfielders out there. Basic mathematics tells me if you kick to a 50/50 out of defence, then kick to a 50/50 on the wing, you have a 25% chance of retaining possession to proceed with it. Considering our lack of tall marking options, those would be very optimistic outcomes.

We have to play to the strengths of our list. You cant build a list to suit a gamestyle that was highly successful 3 years ago.
By the time you achieve that, the evolution of the game will have left you well behind. Ask Pagan.

Wow BV. Thanks for your enlightenment.

Malthouse is playing a gamestyle from 3 years ago. What an idiot. He really has no idea. I actually didn't hear him say we didn't get enough ball. Amazing.

I actually thought he had implemented a more modern style game plan with our list and then adjusted it again early in the year.
I also thought he had deliberately gone with structures and styles each week that he believed would give us the best chance in winning. It's now obvious his assessment of our list is wrong. With the right gameplan we would be top 4, if not premiership favourites. Surely with players such as Yarran, Casboult, Lucas, Joseph, McLean, Garlett, White, Jamison, Warnock, Ellard, Duigan, Armfield, Bell, Robinson we should be Premiership favourites.

So he isn't trying to bring a winning culture? WOW. Did I get it so wrong. Again.

How does he not understand the mathematics. It has nothing to do with positioning, delivery, defensive efforts, skill or anything else. It mathematics! :clap:

How can MM not see this? He needs to go. He is still playing a style he used with the Bulldogs in the 80s. What an idiot.

Its amazing that a coach with 25 years experience and 3 Premierships doesn't realise the game has changed. Amazing. I would send your comments to the board because this can't go on. It's embarrassing. Surely his assistants are mentioning it to him?

Another wasted year because of a poor coaching selection. Sakc Sticks & Swann.

nightcrawler · **Joined:** Sun Apr 03, 2005 11:48 am **Posts:** 2891

bondiblue wrote:

I believe we could have run over them in the last, if the scores were within 2-3 goals at 3/4 time. They had the strength to do that so I dont believe its just fatigue from the Richmond game 6 days earlier.

Actually, if we'd been within 6 goals at 3 quarter time we'd have run over them. We kicked 3 goals in the opening 7-8 minutes and the Swans were already cooked. We blew very gettable opportunities after that.

But we weren't 6 goals down to start the 4th we were 9 goals down because none of our players gave a flower in the 3rd quarter. It was pathetic.

Gab · **Joined:** Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:42 pm **Posts:** 283

They were too good for us, simple as that.

It was a reality check for those that were dreaming that we were actually good enough to mix it with the top 4.

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 17944

ThePsychologist wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

Why did it suddenly fall in a big hole this season? Anyone who thinks it isnt gameplan related is dreaming.
Thats not a knock on malthouse but lets be fair dinkum. He cant sit there and say we dont get enough footy when his game style is counterproductive to retaining possession.
You can have 20 midfielders out there. Basic mathematics tells me if you kick to a 50/50 out of defence, then kick to a 50/50 on the wing, you have a 25% chance of retaining possession to proceed with it. Considering our lack of tall marking options, those would be very optimistic outcomes.

We have to play to the strengths of our list. You cant build a list to suit a gamestyle that was highly successful 3 years ago.
By the time you achieve that, the evolution of the game will have left you well behind. Ask Pagan.

Wow BV. Thanks for your enlightenment.

Malthouse is playing a gamestyle from 3 years ago. What an idiot. He really has no idea. I actually didn't hear him say we didn't get enough ball. Amazing.

I actually thought he had implemented a more modern style game plan with our list and then adjusted it again early in the year.
I also thought he had deliberately gone with structures and styles each week that he believed would give us the best chance in winning. It's now obvious his assessment of our list is wrong. With the right gameplan we would be top 4, if not premiership favourites. Surely with players such as Yarran, Casboult, Lucas, Joseph, McLean, Garlett, White, Jamison, Warnock, Ellard, Duigan, Armfield, Bell, Robinson we should be Premiership favourites.

So he isn't trying to bring a winning culture? WOW. Did I get it so wrong. Again.

How does he not understand the mathematics. It has nothing to do with positioning, delivery, defensive efforts, skill or anything else. It mathematics! :clap:

How can MM not see this? He needs to go. He is still playing a style he used with the Bulldogs in the 80s. What an idiot.

Its amazing that a coach with 25 years experience and 3 Premierships doesn't realise the game has changed. Amazing. I would send your comments to the board because this can't go on. It's embarrassing. Surely his assistants are mentioning it to him?

Another wasted year because of a poor coaching selection. Sakc Sticks & Swann.

So much for trying to have an intelligent conversation. :roll:

If you cant contribute without offering sarcasm and smart arse remarks, why drag the thread down for everyone else.
If I'm wrong, come up with data or information to refute my thoughts. Not the garbage you've offered above.

I hope this isnt a stalking issue. A couple of recent PM's tell me theres a bit of history.
Not good.

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

Blue Vain wrote:

ThePsychologist wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

Why did it suddenly fall in a big hole this season? Anyone who thinks it isnt gameplan related is dreaming.
Thats not a knock on malthouse but lets be fair dinkum. He cant sit there and say we dont get enough footy when his game style is counterproductive to retaining possession.
You can have 20 midfielders out there. Basic mathematics tells me if you kick to a 50/50 out of defence, then kick to a 50/50 on the wing, you have a 25% chance of retaining possession to proceed with it. Considering our lack of tall marking options, those would be very optimistic outcomes.

We have to play to the strengths of our list. You cant build a list to suit a gamestyle that was highly successful 3 years ago.
By the time you achieve that, the evolution of the game will have left you well behind. Ask Pagan.

Wow BV. Thanks for your enlightenment.

Malthouse is playing a gamestyle from 3 years ago. What an idiot. He really has no idea. I actually didn't hear him say we didn't get enough ball. Amazing.

I actually thought he had implemented a more modern style game plan with our list and then adjusted it again early in the year.
I also thought he had deliberately gone with structures and styles each week that he believed would give us the best chance in winning. It's now obvious his assessment of our list is wrong. With the right gameplan we would be top 4, if not premiership favourites. Surely with players such as Yarran, Casboult, Lucas, Joseph, McLean, Garlett, White, Jamison, Warnock, Ellard, Duigan, Armfield, Bell, Robinson we should be Premiership favourites.

So he isn't trying to bring a winning culture? WOW. Did I get it so wrong. Again.

How does he not understand the mathematics. It has nothing to do with positioning, delivery, defensive efforts, skill or anything else. It mathematics! :clap:

How can MM not see this? He needs to go. He is still playing a style he used with the Bulldogs in the 80s. What an idiot.

Its amazing that a coach with 25 years experience and 3 Premierships doesn't realise the game has changed. Amazing. I would send your comments to the board because this can't go on. It's embarrassing. Surely his assistants are mentioning it to him?

Another wasted year because of a poor coaching selection. Sakc Sticks & Swann.

So much for trying to have an intelligent conversation. :roll:

If you cant contribute without offering sarcasm and smart arse remarks, why drag the thread down for everyone else.
If I'm wrong, come up with data or information to refute my thoughts. Not the garbage you've offered above.

This is where your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Intelligent conversation?

You criticise and abuse others for opinions. You have a go at me for saying things like "zones" yet read your own?

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 17944

It's simple. If you dont want to be accountable for your posts, dont write them. :thumbsup:

I'm happy for anyone to debate my posts. As long as they bring something intelligent to the table like data or relevant information. Not the nonsense you've posted above. It derails the thread and drags it down for everyone.

Now go away and come back with something half intelligent and we can continue a good debate about Saturdays game. There's plenty to talk about IMO. Player performance, coaching performance etc.

frank dardew · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:38 pm **Posts:** 7640

We simply need more skills around the ball and a good young key forward

Daisy is obviously a key to this - 4 years for a 26 year old premiership player and almost elite player DO IT under free agency

Need to move players on to get a young good key forward and get another in the draft if possible

Don't think it is all doom and gloom - lot of distance between us and top 4 but with injection of additional class and hopefully organic improvement from Menzel bell Watson lucas casboult mcinnes graham we will push forward

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

Blue Vain wrote:

It's simple. If you dont want to be accountable for your posts, dont write them. :thumbsup:

I'm happy for anyone to debate my posts. As long as they bring something intelligent to the table like data or relevant information. Not the nonsense you've posted above. It derails the thread and drags it down for everyone.

Now go away and come back with something half intelligent and we can continue a good debate about Saturdays game. There's plenty to talk about IMO. Player performance, coaching performance etc.

Bullshit. Go back and read. You're weak and gutless. You have no issue having cheap shots at others but when you get called out the rules change. If you want to discuss further go to PM.

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 17944

frank dardew wrote:

We simply need more skills around the ball and a good young key forward

Daisy is obviously a key to this - 4 years for a 26 year old premiership player and almost elite player DO IT under free agency

Need to move players on to get a young good key forward and get another in the draft if possible

Don't think it is all doom and gloom - lot of distance between us and top 4 but with injection of additional class and hopefully organic improvement from Menzel bell Watson lucas casboult mcinnes graham we will push forward

Not for 5 years Frank.
The best this bloke has achieved is 3rd in his club B&F at 26 years of age. Major ankle problem.
He's worth nowhere near 600k per year.

He averages less than 20 disposals per game, less than 3 tackles per game and less than 1 goal per game.
And he'll be our premium midfielder? Not for me. There's better ways to spend the money.

Effes · **Posted:** Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:33 am

Blue Vain wrote:

frank dardew wrote:

We simply need more skills around the ball and a good young key forward

Daisy is obviously a key to this - 4 years for a 26 year old premiership player and almost elite player DO IT under free agency

Need to move players on to get a young good key forward and get another in the draft if possible

Don't think it is all doom and gloom - lot of distance between us and top 4 but with injection of additional class and hopefully organic improvement from Menzel bell Watson lucas casboult mcinnes graham we will push forward

Not for 5 years Frank.
The best this bloke has achieved is 3rd in his club B&F at 26 years of age. Major ankle problem.
He's worth nowhere near 600k per year.

He averages less than 20 disposals per game, less than 3 tackles per game and less than 1 goal per game.
And he'll be our premium midfielder? Not for me. There's better ways to spend the money.

MM talks about no quick fixes but then we go and chase Thomas with a big $$$ offer?

Really is a buggers muddle.

ScottSaunders · **Posted:** Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:42 am

Blue Vain wrote:

frank dardew wrote:

We simply need more skills around the ball and a good young key forward

Daisy is obviously a key to this - 4 years for a 26 year old premiership player and almost elite player DO IT under free agency

Need to move players on to get a young good key forward and get another in the draft if possible

Don't think it is all doom and gloom - lot of distance between us and top 4 but with injection of additional class and hopefully organic improvement from Menzel bell Watson lucas casboult mcinnes graham we will push forward

Not for 5 years Frank.
The best this bloke has achieved is 3rd in his club B&F at 26 years of age. Major ankle problem.
He's worth nowhere near 600k per year.

He averages less than 20 disposals per game, less than 3 tackles per game and less than 1 goal per game.
And he'll be our premium midfielder? Not for me. There's better ways to spend the money.

this.

Id have Thomas, as I think he is a good footballer and would add to our midfield, but not at the price that is rumoured. 3.5 mill over 5 years .... 700k a season .... no thanks.

bluegirl72 · **Joined:** Sat May 23, 2009 8:30 pm **Posts:** 23911

ThePsychologist wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

Why did it suddenly fall in a big hole this season? Anyone who thinks it isnt gameplan related is dreaming.
Thats not a knock on malthouse but lets be fair dinkum. He cant sit there and say we dont get enough footy when his game style is counterproductive to retaining possession.
You can have 20 midfielders out there. Basic mathematics tells me if you kick to a 50/50 out of defence, then kick to a 50/50 on the wing, you have a 25% chance of retaining possession to proceed with it. Considering our lack of tall marking options, those would be very optimistic outcomes.

We have to play to the strengths of our list. You cant build a list to suit a gamestyle that was highly successful 3 years ago.
By the time you achieve that, the evolution of the game will have left you well behind. Ask Pagan.

Wow BV. Thanks for your enlightenment.

Malthouse is playing a gamestyle from 3 years ago. What an idiot. He really has no idea. I actually didn't hear him say we didn't get enough ball. Amazing.

I actually thought he had implemented a more modern style game plan with our list and then adjusted it again early in the year.
I also thought he had deliberately gone with structures and styles each week that he believed would give us the best chance in winning. It's now obvious his assessment of our list is wrong. With the right gameplan we would be top 4, if not premiership favourites. Surely with players such as Yarran, Casboult, Lucas, Joseph, McLean, Garlett, White, Jamison, Warnock, Ellard, Duigan, Armfield, Bell, Robinson we should be Premiership favourites.

So he isn't trying to bring a winning culture? WOW. Did I get it so wrong. Again.

How does he not understand the mathematics. It has nothing to do with positioning, delivery, defensive efforts, skill or anything else. It mathematics! :clap:

How can MM not see this? He needs to go. He is still playing a style he used with the Bulldogs in the 80s. What an idiot.

Its amazing that a coach with 25 years experience and 3 Premierships doesn't realise the game has changed. Amazing. I would send your comments to the board because this can't go on. It's embarrassing. Surely his assistants are mentioning it to him?

Another wasted year because of a poor coaching selection. Sakc Sticks & Swann.

finally!!!! so happy you've got it at last psych. :grin:

SurreyBlue · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am **Posts:** 10473

We need to fix our forward line structure. You can have anyone you want in there but playing Betts and Garlett as your stay home forward's for most of the night is not going to win you a final. Why bother playing Casboult? I've said it before and I'll say it again, our structures forward are a disgrace and how Barker has survived this long has me baffled. The boy must have some great photo's.

Tricky Micky wants more midfielders but keep's playing our prime movers back.....hmmm lets just go and recruit 5 of them then.....hmmmm....

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

bluegirl72 wrote:

ThePsychologist wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

Why did it suddenly fall in a big hole this season? Anyone who thinks it isnt gameplan related is dreaming.
Thats not a knock on malthouse but lets be fair dinkum. He cant sit there and say we dont get enough footy when his game style is counterproductive to retaining possession.
You can have 20 midfielders out there. Basic mathematics tells me if you kick to a 50/50 out of defence, then kick to a 50/50 on the wing, you have a 25% chance of retaining possession to proceed with it. Considering our lack of tall marking options, those would be very optimistic outcomes.

We have to play to the strengths of our list. You cant build a list to suit a gamestyle that was highly successful 3 years ago.
By the time you achieve that, the evolution of the game will have left you well behind. Ask Pagan.

Wow BV. Thanks for your enlightenment.

Malthouse is playing a gamestyle from 3 years ago. What an idiot. He really has no idea. I actually didn't hear him say we didn't get enough ball. Amazing.

I actually thought he had implemented a more modern style game plan with our list and then adjusted it again early in the year.
I also thought he had deliberately gone with structures and styles each week that he believed would give us the best chance in winning. It's now obvious his assessment of our list is wrong. With the right gameplan we would be top 4, if not premiership favourites. Surely with players such as Yarran, Casboult, Lucas, Joseph, McLean, Garlett, White, Jamison, Warnock, Ellard, Duigan, Armfield, Bell, Robinson we should be Premiership favourites.

So he isn't trying to bring a winning culture? WOW. Did I get it so wrong. Again.

How does he not understand the mathematics. It has nothing to do with positioning, delivery, defensive efforts, skill or anything else. It mathematics! :clap:

How can MM not see this? He needs to go. He is still playing a style he used with the Bulldogs in the 80s. What an idiot.

Its amazing that a coach with 25 years experience and 3 Premierships doesn't realise the game has changed. Amazing. I would send your comments to the board because this can't go on. It's embarrassing. Surely his assistants are mentioning it to him?

Another wasted year because of a poor coaching selection. Sakc Sticks & Swann.

finally!!!! so happy you've got it at last psych. :grin:

I know. I'm a bit slow. Could of saved all this discussion.

Mick is crap. Sticks and Swann are crap and as such we are crap.

Not much to look forward to is there? :roll:

camel · **Posted:** Mon Sep 16, 2013 12:52 pm

http://www.tedsport.com.au/blog/2013/09 ... eview-rd25

Quote:

The difference between a top four team depleted with injuries and a team finishing 9th featuring in a semifinal was a stark reminder of a bizarre season so far.

Pretty much sums it up. Swans were written off too easily by too many IMO.

Synbad · **Posted:** Mon Sep 16, 2013 12:54 pm

camelboy wrote:

http://www.tedsport.com.au/blog/2013/09/afl-predictor-review-rd25

Quote:

The difference between a top four team depleted with injuries and a team finishing 9th featuring in a semifinal was a stark reminder of a bizarre season so far.

Pretty much sums it up. Swans were written off too easily by too many IMO.

Could have been run over.. but not by what we have and who we are..!!!
You need to stand for something out on the footy field.

What do we stand for?
Judd and Murphy dont run two ways
Set the tone for the others....

Laziness!!!

camel · **Posted:** Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:19 pm

Yep, and that's exactly why the Swans were written off too easily. They work harder than us.

bluegirl72 · **Joined:** Sat May 23, 2009 8:30 pm **Posts:** 23911

it was disappointing aftervwe started to #believe they did have the endeavour.
oh well, we'll always have Richmond. :wink:

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