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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:33 pm 
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Sticks is looking like Big Jack circa late 90s early 2000s Mk II

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:35 pm 
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darknavy17 wrote:
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Sticks knows his time is up. Unfortunately, he's doing a Big Jack and sticking around way past his use by date, to the detriment of the Club.
Wayne Hughes also knows his time is up. He may have been able to 'get away with it' during the under resourced days of Den Den, or under the naivety of Ratten, but someone like MM who knows exactly what's what won't stand for him. Wouldn't be surprised if Shane Rogers also follows him out the door.


Get Stephen Wells or Kinnear Beatson (who started out - like many before him - at Carlton)


Rogers started at Carlton in 1995 before heading to bulldogs for two prelims and freo and collingwood, try getting your facts straight before making a dill of yourself


Say what you want. Our weak list and crap drafting record speaks for itself.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:04 pm 
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after only one year in the top job, it's probably unfair to paint Shane Rogers with the same Wayne Hughes brush...


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:13 pm 
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Just double Hines or Wells pay and be done with it.....clearly known entities in probably the most crucial post in a footy club outside of the coach

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:20 pm 
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Dominator_7 wrote:
darknavy17 wrote:
Wangers wrote:
Dominator_7 wrote:
Sticks knows his time is up. Unfortunately, he's doing a Big Jack and sticking around way past his use by date, to the detriment of the Club.
Wayne Hughes also knows his time is up. He may have been able to 'get away with it' during the under resourced days of Den Den, or under the naivety of Ratten, but someone like MM who knows exactly what's what won't stand for him. Wouldn't be surprised if Shane Rogers also follows him out the door.


Get Stephen Wells or Kinnear Beatson (who started out - like many before him - at Carlton)


Rogers started at Carlton in 1995 before heading to bulldogs for two prelims and freo and collingwood, try getting your facts straight before making a dill of yourself


Say what you want. Our weak list and crap drafting record speaks for itself.


Throw in poor player development as well


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:39 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:
after only one year in the top job, it's probably unfair to paint Shane Rogers with the same Wayne Hughes brush...


It shouldn't automatically mean he is any better, either. For better or worse, last years picks seemed fairly Hughsesque.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:06 pm 
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
In summary:

1. Kernahan says ths list is fine.
2. Swan says that there will be radical changes to the list
3. Matheison says that the list is poor and as well as the recruiting
4. Malthouse says that 2 No's 1 are untouchable.


What the hell is going on?


They stuffed up talking about the list needing big changes and being no good a couple of weeks ago. Left the players wondering if everyone was in it together. Watch them during the Collingwood game and you can tell they are not happy.
Stopped playing as a team. Some probably talking to their managers and other clubs starting to circle.

Kernahans comments, along with Micks K and gibbs comments are an attempt to let the players know they are being backed but better efforts are expected. (when we all know the wheels are in motion for massive changes at the end of the season.)


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:09 pm 
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If we can't promote a consistent message on our list, how can we expect any direction and unity for bigger matters?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:10 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
In summary:

1. Kernahan says ths list is fine.
2. Swan says that there will be radical changes to the list
3. Matheison says that the list is poor and as well as the recruiting
4. Malthouse says that 2 No's 1 are untouchable.


What the hell is going on?


They stuffed up talking about the list needing big changes and being no good a couple of weeks ago. Left the players wondering if everyone was in it together. Watch them during the Collingwood game and you can tell they are not happy.
Stopped playing as a team. Some probably talking to their managers and other clubs starting to circle.

Kernahans comments, along with Micks K and gibbs comments are an attempt to let the players know they are being backed but better efforts are expected. (when we all know the wheels are in motion for massive changes at the end of the season.)


nah, it's just amateur hour decade

no club structure - no chain of command - just a bunch of powerful people all straying outside their positions


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:18 pm 
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Rexy wrote:

nah, it's just amateur hour decade

no club structure - no chain of command - just a bunch of powerful people all straying outside their positions

Exactly Rexy. You don`t hear other clubs carrying on like this.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:39 pm 
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Do other clubs CEOs comment on the playing list, trades etc. in the way Swann does? I'm not really familiar with the various roles and responsibilities of a CEO but he seems to have a lot to say about us on field and this isn't the first time his public comments have conflicted with others at the club.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:10 pm 
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Pafloyul wrote:
DocSherrin wrote:
after only one year in the top job, it's probably unfair to paint Shane Rogers with the same Wayne Hughes brush...


It shouldn't automatically mean he is any better, either. For better or worse, last years picks seemed fairly Hughsesque.


I'm not sure what you mean.

Cachia: has played 11 games of solid if not exciting footy.
Graham: is close to playing but has been killing it in the seconds.
Menzel: Has already been nominated by the coach as a very good player.
Temay: Jury is out.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:10 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
club29 wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
In summary:

1. Kernahan says ths list is fine.
2. Swan says that there will be radical changes to the list
3. Matheison says that the list is poor and as well as the recruiting
4. Malthouse says that 2 No's 1 are untouchable.


What the hell is going on?


They stuffed up talking about the list needing big changes and being no good a couple of weeks ago. Left the players wondering if everyone was in it together. Watch them during the Collingwood game and you can tell they are not happy.
Stopped playing as a team. Some probably talking to their managers and other clubs starting to circle.

Kernahans comments, along with Micks K and gibbs comments are an attempt to let the players know they are being backed but better efforts are expected. (when we all know the wheels are in motion for massive changes at the end of the season.)


nah, it's just amateur hour decade

no club structure - no chain of command - just a bunch of powerful people all straying outside their positions


Does seem that way sometimes.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:18 pm 
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Pafloyul wrote:
DocSherrin wrote:
after only one year in the top job, it's probably unfair to paint Shane Rogers with the same Wayne Hughes brush...


It shouldn't automatically mean he is any better, either. For better or worse, last years picks seemed fairly Hughsesque.


Nick Graham Hughsesque?

He is a natural footballer who can kick pretty well, isn't that tall, reads the game well.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:00 pm 
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in8 wrote:
Do other clubs CEOs comment on the playing list, trades etc. in the way Swann does? I'm not really familiar with the various roles and responsibilities of a CEO but he seems to have a lot to say about us on field and this isn't the first time his public comments have conflicted with others at the club.


Told you guys from day 1 this bloke was trouble.Fancy hiring a CEO on the condition he would be heavily involved in footy matters.What complete and utter shit.Recipe for disaster from day 1.Tell Swann to eff off to the front office and if he's not happy about then eff off.A complete dud.The top office needs a big shake up and hopefully Swann aint part of it.I'd take Mick Malouf in front of this egotistical bighead...............funny how the Pies kicked on when he was out of there.The most overated bloke in football.A classic case of a nobody trying to be a somebody.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:40 am 
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cimm1979 wrote:
Pafloyul wrote:
DocSherrin wrote:
after only one year in the top job, it's probably unfair to paint Shane Rogers with the same Wayne Hughes brush...


It shouldn't automatically mean he is any better, either. For better or worse, last years picks seemed fairly Hughsesque.


I'm not sure what you mean.

Cachia: has played 11 games of solid if not exciting footy.
Graham: is close to playing but has been killing it in the seconds.
Menzel: Has already been nominated by the coach as a very good player.
Temay: Jury is out.


I mean it's a similar mix to what we usual get from Hughes, regardless of how good they end up, and no great surprises. I'm not talking quality, I'm talking similar rationale. Time will tell if it's a coincidence and how well they go but if we were to do a review of the club, I wouldn't think Rogers should be exempt just because he is new.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:52 am 
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Effes wrote:
Pafloyul wrote:
DocSherrin wrote:
after only one year in the top job, it's probably unfair to paint Shane Rogers with the same Wayne Hughes brush...


It shouldn't automatically mean he is any better, either. For better or worse, last years picks seemed fairly Hughsesque.


Nick Graham Hughsesque?

He is a natural footballer who can kick pretty well, isn't that tall, reads the game well.


So what; no recruiter is going to deliberately select players who can't kick or read the play, so a player like Graham is going to come into the equation sooner or later. I still say it's a similar mix. The Hughes manifesto goes beyond simply picking athletes ahead of footballers.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:40 am 
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if u can poach a guy who has a good record youd sack rogers too

we cant afford to wait and see

but we also need better development and better ceo and a better board and for sticks to go too

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:53 am 
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Pafloyul wrote:
DocSherrin wrote:
after only one year in the top job, it's probably unfair to paint Shane Rogers with the same Wayne Hughes brush...


It shouldn't automatically mean he is any better, either. For better or worse, last years picks seemed fairly Hughsesque.


Seriously now, what does that even mean?

Call it now. Who would have an "expert" taken in our three selections: #11......................#35..........................#54.........................Rookie #11.......................


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:48 am 
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harker wrote:
Pafloyul wrote:
DocSherrin wrote:
after only one year in the top job, it's probably unfair to paint Shane Rogers with the same Wayne Hughes brush...


It shouldn't automatically mean he is any better, either. For better or worse, last years picks seemed fairly Hughsesque.


Seriously now, what does that even mean?

Call it now. Who would have an "expert" taken in our three selections: #11......................#35..........................#54.........................Rookie #11.......................


Anyone know Stephen Wells twitter handle? We could ask him.


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