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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 6:58 pm 
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dont beleive in giving blokes games to find their feet - you are either good enough or your not
The best available players should be picked every week and if your good enough you will break into the side and stay there


That's not how it works anymore, and it's sure as hell not the best way to develop players.

The key is getting enough players to be experienced and well drilled enough to be capable of filling a role in the finals if you have injuries to first choice players.


The rate players get injured these days and the lengthy recovery times players knocking on the door get plenty of opportunity to get a game . You dont hand people games its why our cricket team is so shit they hand out baggy greens to anyone . The navy blue jumper should be earnt not handed to you

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 8:28 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
The rate players get injured these days and the lengthy recovery times players knocking on the door get plenty of opportunity to get a game . You dont hand people games its why our cricket team is so shit they hand out baggy greens to anyone . The navy blue jumper should be earnt not handed to you


There is a massive difference between being 1 of 22 players in 1 of 18 teams, and being 1 of 11 in the only team.


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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 8:40 pm 
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sydney blue i totally agree with you,

if you not good enough or struggling with form, well try someone else. ITS STILL EARLY IN THE SEASON SO WE MUST TRY EVERYONE AVAILABLE

i know i have been critical with lucas well i think its time to replace him this time

IN: BELL this guy will give hardness as we all know. OUT: LUCAS
IN : CASBOULT WE KNOW HIS POTENTIAL. OUT: HAMPSONI
IN : ELLARD TO REPLACE GIBBS INJURED
IN : WAITE NO POINT PLAYING HIM FOR THE NORTHERN BLUES WE ARE PLAYING MELBOURNE THIS WEEK, OUT: ROWE
IN LAIDLER EXPERIENCED RELIABLE, KEY DEFENDER, OUT: WHITE

AGAIN ALOT OF CHANGES FROM ROUND 1, BUT WE WILL FIND OUT WHICH PLAYERS WILL THERE WHEN IT COUNTS.


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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:15 pm 
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If Lucas is dropped this week for form ill streak at the G on Sunday


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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:28 pm 
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We only need to think back to the Port & GC games last year to know how vital it is that our players are switched on from the start, respect the opposition and don't give them a sniff...

And Gibbs is a really big loss for us. He's a unique player and we have nobody in reserve that can replace him. On VFL form, you'd pick Bell or Ellard to come in, but they don't play the same role and team balance becomes a concern with Brock, Curnow and Ellard/Bell in the side. Similarly, Buckley & Collins are going OK but will find it hard to get games while Betts, Garlett, Yarran, Armfield & Lucas are up and about.

Dale played that sweeping role in defence last week in the VFL and although I think he's not a bad young player, I doubt he will come in this week (I'm not even sure enough of the rookie list rules to know if he's eligible to play at the moment?). If we're going to bring in a defender for Gibbs, I'd prefer Bootsma ahead of Duigan, Davies or AJ.

I'd like to see Waite get through another VFL game and I wouldn't rush Kreuzer back. I wouldn't be rushing Menzel either (but he's chance might not be too far away - he's buidling nicely in the VFL).

Casboult for Hammer or Rowe might be on the cards this week. Hammer is running out of chances and Rowe's struggling to run out games.

Hopefully Jamo is OK. If not, Watson is the one most likely to come in for him. No doubting his limitations, but he is the only genuine key defender we have in reserve. Laidler is labouring around HF for the Northern Blues at the moment and McCarthy looks miles off it to me.

Anyway....

Tuohy Jamo Walker
Simmo Hendo Scotland
Murphy Judd Lucas
Garlett Rowe Robbo
Betts Casboult Yarran

Warnock Carrazzo Curnow

Inter: Armfield, Brock, White
Sub: Bell

In - Bell, Casboult
Out - Gibbs (inj), Hammer

(hard to separate Bell & Ellard, but I'll go with Bell just for the bigger body).

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:30 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
We only need to think back to the Port & GC games last year to know how vital it is that our players are switched on from the start and don't give the opposition a sniff...

And Gibbs is a really big loss for us. He's a unique player and we have nobody in reserve that can replace him. On VFL form, you'd pick Bell or Ellard to come in, but they don't play the same role and team balance becomes a concern with Brock, Curnow and Ellard/Bell in the side. Similarly, Buckley & Collins are going OK but will find it hard to get games while Betts, Garlett, Yarran, Armfield & Lucas are up and about.

Dale played that sweeping role in defence last week in the VFL and although I think he's not a bad young player, I doubt he will come in this week (I'm not even sure enough of the rookie list rules to know if he's eligible to play at the moment?). If we're going to bring in a defender for Gibbs, I'd prefer Bootsma ahead of Duigan, Davies or AJ.

I'd like to see Waite get through another VFL game and I wouldn't rush Kreuzer back. I wouldn't be rushing Menzel either (but he's chance might not be too far away - he's buidling nicely in the VFL).

Casboult for Hammer or Rowe might be on the cards this week. Hammer is running out of chances and Rowe's struggling to run out games.

Hopefully Jamo is OK. If not, Watson is the one most likely to come in for him. No doubting his limitations, but he is the only genuine key defender we have in reserve. Laidler is labouring around HF for the Northern Blues at the moment and McCarthy looks miles off it to me.

Anyway....

Tuohy Jamo Walker
Simmo Hendo Scotland
Murphy Judd Lucas
Garlett Rowe Robbo
Betts Casboult Yarran

Warnock Carrazzo Curnow

Inter: Armfield, Brock, White
Sub: Bell

In - Bell, Casboult
Out - Gibbs (inj), Hammer

(hard to separate Bell & Ellard, but I'll go with Bell just for the bigger body).



Id go with ellard for the better VFL form

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:37 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
We only need to think back to the Port & GC games last year to know how vital it is that our players are switched on from the start and don't give the opposition a sniff...

And Gibbs is a really big loss for us. He's a unique player and we have nobody in reserve that can replace him. On VFL form, you'd pick Bell or Ellard to come in, but they don't play the same role and team balance becomes a concern with Brock, Curnow and Ellard/Bell in the side. Similarly, Buckley & Collins are going OK but will find it hard to get games while Betts, Garlett, Yarran, Armfield & Lucas are up and about.

Dale played that sweeping role in defence last week in the VFL and although I think he's not a bad young player, I doubt he will come in this week (I'm not even sure enough of the rookie list rules to know if he's eligible to play at the moment?). If we're going to bring in a defender for Gibbs, I'd prefer Bootsma ahead of Duigan, Davies or AJ.

I'd like to see Waite get through another VFL game and I wouldn't rush Kreuzer back. I wouldn't be rushing Menzel either (but he's chance might not be too far away - he's buidling nicely in the VFL).

Casboult for Hammer or Rowe might be on the cards this week. Hammer is running out of chances and Rowe's struggling to run out games.

Hopefully Jamo is OK. If not, Watson is the one most likely to come in for him. No doubting his limitations, but he is the only genuine key defender we have in reserve. Laidler is labouring around HF for the Northern Blues at the moment and McCarthy looks miles off it to me.

Anyway....

Tuohy Jamo Walker
Simmo Hendo Scotland
Murphy Judd Lucas
Garlett Rowe Robbo
Betts Casboult Yarran

Warnock Carrazzo Curnow

Inter: Armfield, Brock, White
Sub: Bell

In - Bell, Casboult
Out - Gibbs (inj), Hammer

(hard to separate Bell & Ellard, but I'll go with Bell just for the bigger body).



Id go with ellard for the better VFL form


Agreed Ellard has the edge in VFL form, but looking at the above side, I reckon another bigger body wouldn't go astray amongst all those little blokes. Bell for mine this week.

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:42 pm 
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Sometimes you need to reward the guys who do ALL the work...over the guys who dont do all of the work...!!!
Id go with the guy who i dont rate .. but i rate his attitude...
Players cant walk into the team when theyre not fit enough to run four quarters...no matter how big their bodies are..!!!

We need standards!!!

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:56 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Sometimes you need to reward the guys who do ALL the work...over the guys who dont do all of the work...!!!
Id go with the guy who i dont rate .. but i rate his attitude...
Players cant walk into the team when theyre not fit enough to run four quarters...no matter how big their bodies are..!!!

We need standards!!!

Ellard is a fantastic worker and a smart little player, who I admire and who is a gun VFL player....but it comes down to what the team needs. Do we need another small forward? (remember that Ellard has been playing mostly forward of centre in the VFL this year). Bell's form has actually been pretty good and he's played almost entirely in the midfield. He has to improve in some areas, no doubt, but he was the best of the Carlton-listed players last week in a tough game against Port Melbourne and kicked 3 goals as an inside mid. I think he potentially has more upside than Ellard, so I would be getting AFL games into him...

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 11:48 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Sometimes you need to reward the guys who do ALL the work...over the guys who dont do all of the work...!!!
Id go with the guy who i dont rate .. but i rate his attitude...
Players cant walk into the team when theyre not fit enough to run four quarters...no matter how big their bodies are..!!!

We need standards!!!


Are you saying Bell is taking shortcuts, If so care to elaborate?


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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 7:54 am 
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Synbad wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
Synbad wrote:
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just one change for mine.. and it wouldnt be Lucas....THIS WEEK!!!... Hampson needs to be the one to go .. he needs rucking practice
......but Lucas better lift...!! :wink:


What sort of a half baked, soft cock effort is that?

You don't rate him. You've spent the equivalent of an academic essay telling us such, yet you come up with the equivalent of giving him one more chance.

Stick to your guns. It can only add to your crediibilty.

And don't give us this bullshit that MM has no one else to replace him with. If MM thinks he's not pulling his weight, he'll drop him.

IMHO, he's been one of MM's successes this year (and believe me, I'm not a glass half full person when it comes to Carlton)

Out: Hampson (omit) White (omit) Gibbs Jamo (if injured)
In: Mitchell (just give him a go at senior level), Laidler, Ellard/White or Watson (for Jamo)
One more chance for Rowe...Spend all week on ruck practice


Nothing soft cock in saying Ratten was a dud coach.. pretty sure people are realising that now.
And nothing soft cock about saying we have a Rapahel Clarke on our hands.
These things are not mutually exclusive.

Whats soft cock is accusing me of making soft cock remarks when you dont understand that :wink:


Well Synbad ... thats your opinion ... not fact. Lots of people I know who are Carlton supporters equally have a different opinion to yours. As you know I am no a big fan of MM though I hope he does well. Anything other than a prelim will be a big fat FAIL for the so-callled super coach.



i dont care what your blue rinse old dears think up at the social club.

Ratten wont ever coach an AFL side again as main coach... and that says it all.
We kept him for 5 years and 6 games.. and in the end people think it was injuries that lost him his possie as coach..
in fact after we knock of Melbourne this week if im not wrong MM has already equalled or almost equaled the Ratts streak of 3 or 4 in a row....

If Rattens name was Knights he would not have been the coach let along coached for 5 years (and dont forget the six games).....

We still have no real leadership or standards.. supporters point to the smallest things to crack a fatty....

I am looking forward to this club holding everybody who has anything to do with the club to some kind of REAL standards....And that means EVERYBODY!!!....

Ratten never cared about standards.... he cared about statistics... but he didnt know how to use those stats in any meaningful manner.

10 hbfers playing in our reserves sums the guy up.......id be kicking chunks out of our recruiting group if they continued to come to me with hbfer types year after year...

farcical thinking and an sbsolute id of a man....

Players never took the quantum leap to the next level under him...

yeah its my opinion.. but them are the facts!!!

lately im getting angry at the lack of accountability around the club.... every level is R.S.

President who people are wondering how they will push him out.. (and there are people trying believe me).. second rate CEO... no leadership.. players that go away without coming abck having done any real work on their deficiencies.. (Thats not everyone... but a few including some well paid senir players)...and i dont wanna see anymore girlie tackles!!!...show that theyre fair dinkum!!!

Terrible habits over the years that have not been addressed.

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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 9:06 am 
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..Bell looks good and plays with hustle, but isn't anywhere near as 'defensive' as Ellard is.. .... ..and Ellard is another mid that can be rotated thru fp.. ..and he's actually decent for clearances when he plays in our senior line-ups..

..in regards to who can play as sweeper, with gibblet injured.. ..i'd say snotland and simmo, plus lucas runs his nuts off and gets back to help out plenty too..

..agree regarding our KPF dilema.. ..consistency with who we play as kpf's is needed.. ..however, we can't just keep playing kpf's who aren't doing more than simply 'bringing the ball down', just for the sake of consistency.. .... ..Boult was woeful in the early games, not just with his lack of marking/disposals, but he seemed at a loss in regards to his fwd craft.. .. ....ditto Hampson.. ..the only KPF that looks like a fwd out there so far has been Rowe, and his at 'battler' standard, AND is struggling with his fitness now..

..too soon to rush back Krooz.. ..he only broke his thumb [in worst place] 2 weeks ago.. ..he's too important to rush back, and with Knockers playing 1st ruck there's no need.. ..he's not the KPF answer, so we need not think of him as such.. .... ..and i agree, we all know how fragile Waite is, he's missed too much/too long to rush him back after just 1 ressies game..

..depending on how Jamo is, if he's ok perhaps it might be a game to play Hendo fwd, dee's will be without Clark and dawes isn't ready, and if he's rushed back in my dog could man him up..

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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 9:10 am 
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Ellard is very underrated and vital to the MM side. IMO will show his worth.

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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 9:22 am 
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sydney blue i totally agree with you,

if you not good enough or struggling with form, well try someone else. ITS STILL EARLY IN THE SEASON SO WE MUST TRY EVERYONE AVAILABLE

i know i have been critical with lucas well i think its time to replace him this time

IN: BELL this guy will give hardness as we all know. OUT: LUCAS
IN : CASBOULT WE KNOW HIS POTENTIAL. OUT: HAMPSONI
IN : ELLARD TO REPLACE GIBBS INJURED
IN : WAITE NO POINT PLAYING HIM FOR THE NORTHERN BLUES WE ARE PLAYING MELBOURNE THIS WEEK, OUT: ROWE
IN LAIDLER EXPERIENCED RELIABLE, KEY DEFENDER, OUT: WHITE

AGAIN ALOT OF CHANGES FROM ROUND 1, BUT WE WILL FIND OUT WHICH PLAYERS WILL THERE WHEN IT COUNTS.


Agree with Bell for Lucas to a point, Lucas needs to be told that he MUST go when it is his turn, if he doesn't then he can work on it in the twos, this week last chance.

Agree with Casboult for Hampson, the bloke looks like Tarzan but plays like Jane (with apologies to Jane)

Like the idea of Ellard in the side, not sure if you would play him as a like for like with Gibbs.

Can't agree with Waite for Rowe, Waite played 60% game time last week and as we all know his body is fragile, I would prefer him to play another game in the twos rather than be rushed back, and while Rowe didn't play a great game last week, this week could be a good confidence game for him.

Laidler has not set the world on fire according to the VFL reports and surely we want blokes to earn games rather than just be given them for the sake of it, and I don't think White did anything to justify being dropped.

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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 9:31 am 
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What is the difference between playing Waite against Melbourne this week or in the VFL?

He is fit and ready, play him. He is not a kid trying to prove himself, he is one of the few real A grade players we have and we are so much better with him in the line up. Looked good in the VFL to me.

IMO if fit he plays.

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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 9:33 am 
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papa wrote:
sydney blue i totally agree with you,

if you not good enough or struggling with form, well try someone else. ITS STILL EARLY IN THE SEASON SO WE MUST TRY EVERYONE AVAILABLE

i know i have been critical with lucas well i think its time to replace him this time

IN: BELL this guy will give hardness as we all know. OUT: LUCAS
IN : CASBOULT WE KNOW HIS POTENTIAL. OUT: HAMPSONI
IN : ELLARD TO REPLACE GIBBS INJURED
IN : WAITE NO POINT PLAYING HIM FOR THE NORTHERN BLUES WE ARE PLAYING MELBOURNE THIS WEEK, OUT: ROWE
IN LAIDLER EXPERIENCED RELIABLE, KEY DEFENDER, OUT: WHITE

AGAIN ALOT OF CHANGES FROM ROUND 1, BUT WE WILL FIND OUT WHICH PLAYERS WILL THERE WHEN IT COUNTS.



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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 10:02 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Ellard is very underrated and vital to the MM side. IMO will show his worth.


That's what I keep hearing with Malthouse being a huge fan. Hardly surprising though.
Funny how we're all waiting for Ellard now yet last year couldn't care less whether he was in the side or not.

Still wouldn't be surprised should we see an unexpected name pop up this afternoon.
Nothing definite yet, but it wouldn't take much for us to take a "risk"


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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 10:12 am 
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BigKev wrote:
papa wrote:
sydney blue i totally agree with you,

if you not good enough or struggling with form, well try someone else. ITS STILL EARLY IN THE SEASON SO WE MUST TRY EVERYONE AVAILABLE

i know i have been critical with lucas well i think its time to replace him this time

IN: BELL this guy will give hardness as we all know. OUT: LUCAS
IN : CASBOULT WE KNOW HIS POTENTIAL. OUT: HAMPSONI
IN : ELLARD TO REPLACE GIBBS INJURED
IN : WAITE NO POINT PLAYING HIM FOR THE NORTHERN BLUES WE ARE PLAYING MELBOURNE THIS WEEK, OUT: ROWE
IN LAIDLER EXPERIENCED RELIABLE, KEY DEFENDER, OUT: WHITE

AGAIN ALOT OF CHANGES FROM ROUND 1, BUT WE WILL FIND OUT WHICH PLAYERS WILL THERE WHEN IT COUNTS.



Why are you YELLING?


Why Lucas & White out? Been playing well and performing their roles.

I like Laidler but its obvious MM wants more from him.

Bell will be good but it looks very much to me like he is working on a few things in the VFL and is not ready to come back quite yet.

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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 11:38 am 
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Watts is out with a hammy. Bookies have wound Melbourne in.

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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 11:43 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Sometimes you need to reward the guys who do ALL the work...over the guys who dont do all of the work...!!!
Id go with the guy who i dont rate .. but i rate his attitude...
Players cant walk into the team when theyre not fit enough to run four quarters...no matter how big their bodies are..!!!

We need standards!!!



First thing you have said that ive ever agreed with, 100 percent right

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