That's fair enough...

Which is why I won't have a problem if the new coach decides to move-on any players he deems not suitable for team structures

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scotland was the only one who seemed to care - he looked as gutted as us supporters but no-one else did. and who was our top possession gatherer?

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There's no doubting last night the players threw the game. Whether that was deliberate or that they were more interested in the surf conditions than bringing their A-game to the ground last night, they threw it, blew it, stewed it. Whatever you want to call it, they're accountable for that loss last night. Ratten is accountable for the season as a whole you'd think.

Any team lost @ $1.02?

It was very similar to how we have performed against many of the "lower" sides of the competition this season.

Whilst the Bulldogs game was excusable given the injury toll, the performance away to Port Adelaide and the pretty lacklustre performances against GWS and Melbourne both in Melbourne have shown how fragile this group is mentally.

If verbs was coach there would have been a voluntary 5km run this morning. Only those who consider their game to be below the required standard need attend. 6am sharp. I'll be determining the route and those who choose to run will follow me. Anyone showing up even a second past 6am will not be partaking. A list of those who choose to run will be made and reviewed.

I get the impression that recruiting at Carlton is a bit like filling a quota or employing factory workers. We trade for players that more or less roughly fill a need and then half-heartedly leave the rest to chance. We need to forget about getting players to utilise and just recruit players that excite - not just one needs based older recruit, then wait patiently for our allocated three picks in the ND. We need to take the draft by the scruff of the neck.

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Not sure you can even do that now though, AFLPA would probably have a fit.

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Yeah true but I'd also tell the AFLPA to GAGF. What's the worse that could happen? Sakced?

In the pre-match thread I raised the fact that GCS had a win over the Tigers (who we just beat a few weeks later) and had pushed the Bombers (early season variety) and Cats up there. I also should have added that they gave the Roos a fair fright @ Etihad too. I raised this as I was concerned by the apathy shown by many around here about how inevitable this "crushing victory" would be, evidenced by some suggesting "resting" players. FFS, I was horrified.

I also raised the Port game as what can happen to this lot when they are not "mentally attuned".

What sickens me is how inept we were in the first half. It was crucial that we got off to a flyer, took the crowd out of it and lessened the scoreboard pressure that would result if we somehow fell behind. Well, guess what? The second half is a great example of what happens when the scoreboard pressure comes into play, we should never have had this issue to deal with if we were honest (not necessarily brilliant) in the first half.

This is a team that we beat by 20 goals last year.

This game franked the views of many of us who don't think that Ratts has it in him to take us all the way (and to be a positive and authoritative face of our club) and obviously he will be the biggest casualty out of all of this. But also agree with so many posters who yearn for the day that our "big name" players should not ponce around thinking they are immune from NB duties. Hoping MM or whoever makes this the BIGGEST priority once the reins are taken. Honesty is all we want. Sticks has to go to, but I'll leave that to a post season thread.

Nothing short of a Saints crucifixion next week will erase some of this pain. For Ratts sake, I'd like to see him end on a winning and dignified note.

It's funny you know.

I went to Movida for dinner last night. I don't gamble other than a social punt on the Cup once a year but I saw those odds and it crossed my mind that if I took $20k out of savings and put it on us (considering the motivation we had to win and the fact that we could play badly but would still win) I could have covered the $400 the four of us spent on dinner.

Lucky I don't gamble...

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Why do we recruit so many players who are suspect kicks? Christ, I've been bemoaning this for years. Once having recruited these players, why are we then seemingly unable to improve their kicking skills to any degree?

Why do we have so many "talented" players who appear to be suspect in pressure situations? Even last week in the third quarter against Essendon*, there was from memory four easy shots for goal missed. If Essendon* weren't such a rabble they may well have been able to climb back into the contest.

Why do we have some players who appear to be "undroppable"?

Why do we so often fall over in games we are expected to win? If the players aren't mentally prepared, if they think a game will be a walk in the park, what does that say about the coaching staff?

Why when we play Hawthorn is the game invariably over by quarter time?

Why have we lost so many close finals games in recent years? From memory we were nearly six goals up against the Lions in the last quarter before being overun.

Why do we have a captain who has been suspended for appalling indiscretions? (pressure point, chicken wing)

Club culture is the two words that keep coming back to me when I think of the above issues. I fear the culture at Princes Park is sadly lacking if not broken.

A performance so inept it almost defies description.

I had been unsure about Ratt's more than once over the years, in particular the garbage we trotted out against sides who gave a sh1t.

The last month or so had me believe that there was some chance the fragile nature of our teams belief in themselves had gone up a notch however, with almost all our stars available, we dish up the single worst performance of Ratt's entire coaching reign.

There is something amiss with this group of players and Ratt's has been unable to fix it.

Well, unsure no more, he must go. Yes the players have played their part, but they are HIS PLAYERS.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

Did you guys notice that at 3/4 time the players were shown a board full of stats! What was needed was match ups, structure and effort, i.e. a bit of motivation and clear instructions. The stats love has always been one of his greatest weakness'.

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i dont get how an afl player cant kick a footy straight, im confused that u train daily and u cant kick a footy, i kick better on my opposite foot then most of those donkeys out there. when you recruit a player like casboult the first thing i would have thought was to teach him a better technique
very dissapointed at the moment, another year wasted and 7 months till we see the boys play for something meaningful.
We have no leaders at this club and i think the biggest problem with ratten was that he never dropped anyone if they played shit, no consequences for bad output

Stats wise we won 'em all....

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Disgraceful!!!! After the Pt Adelaide debacle I wondered if it could get any worse.......well yes it could and last night we saw how!

Credit to the GC boys, but for the love of all that's shiny can somebody....anybody please teach Casboult how to kick!!!! If ever there was an example of how unimportant statistiocs are, last night was it. The only statistic we didnt dominate was the scoreboard

Like others, I've clung on to hope that it was all injuries, that somehow Ratten was going to turn things around. Last night there can be few excuses. We should have belted them but the group is fragile beyond belief. This isnt a 'one-off', we did the same thing against Port and almost against Melb. There is a lack of leadership and some very fragile players out there. I just dont think this group can take us further than we went last year sadly. There is no steely resolve.

Something needs to change!!!!

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Ratts shows Stats .. cos it mashs his lack of understanding of the game.
Anyone can rattle of statistics.... but its about devising a plan to be effective thats the trick

Kick the ball to the pocket is not an effective inside 50....no matter how many times you do that.

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no carlton players on twitter today

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Inaccuracy in front of phone?

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