Three draft picks each year is not enough. We need to actually develop our list rather than simply augment it.

He has played 15 games of AFL footy.

Unbelievably high standards set by the keyboard warriors on TC once again.

Hasn't Warnock has recently signed up for another 3 years? According to AFL rules I believe a player can't be traded the same year after being re-signed.

Senior list:
White (has his positives, but too short to play the KPD role)
Joseph (I cannot stress how much this hotheaded fool needs to be shown the door; costs us multiple goals on a weekly basis)
Davies (herpa derp derp derps in his primary role)
Kerr (simply hasn't shown enough with all the talent he has to offer)

Rookie list:
Heyne (has not improved as much as hoped; squandered 2nd chance)


Elevations:
Tuohy (no brainer)
Curnow (a lot to work with and needs more time in an AFL environment to round out his game)

That still leaves another senior list deletion to allow for three draft choices. Russell, Ellard, Thornton and McLean would all rate a mention in most circles, but Russell and Ellard are streets ahead for that position in my mind.

I should also note that to the best of my knowledge, Casboult, Carter and Curnow are on their final year of rookie eligibility, though one of Carter and Curnow can assume the third-year rookie slot. I think Carter is a real chance because we will need smaller players with pace and defensive application, and we can't entirely rely on new names to provide this in the absence of Joseph, Davies and potentially Russell and/or Ellard.

Casboult is putting his hand up to stay on and get elevation to the senior list, but his kicking really is quite horrible and would want to see rapid progress to cement that. Additionally, we'd be carrying him as our 6th tall forward option into the next season. O'Keeffe is another who apparently has almost put himself back into 50/50 range, but has an abhorrent record with injuries.

Trade options are Bower, Thornton and Warnock in my mind. Would rather reinvest in a new option as that legitimate 203+ cm ruckman who wins on reach alone than stick with a bloke who averages 10 games a season due to injury and form, and doesn't put his body in enough because it's made of chalk. Bower & Thornton are talented, but it's probably at the point now where one has to make way for the sake of list balance, and turnover through the tall stocks at both ends. Sell on one of them for a good price and reinvest it in the draft.

Davies is safe in my book.

For me
- Kerr (out of time/hasnt done enough)
- 1 of curnow/ellard (Bell has gone past both players, limited upside to either of them - could easily be both gone if we traded in a mature body mid)
- 2 from bower/thornton/russell (age profile/havent done enough/lack of consistent form, could easily be all 3)

Other players that are chances to be traded/delisted
- lucas (injuries+form+opportunity)
- warnock (mckay stated signed to prevent poaching rather than he is a required player)
- heyne (rookie)
- carter (rookie)
- lodge (rookie)
- bray (rookie, though might be kept due to shoulder curtailing chance to impress this year)

Other comments
- ROK gets another year on the rookie list if possible (2nd yr), though wouldnt surprise if the club makes a call on him
- casboult + touhy elevated
- rookies mentioned for delisting b/c they havent consistently pushed into the bests in the ants

You would delist/trade a first rounder in Lucas and yet Davies is safe? Wow! This was an oversight on your part I'm assuming....

Not at all.

I'm not saying that I would delist him - what I said is that it wouldnt surprise me if he was traded - that could be initiated by either the player (not happy with opportunities/wanting change) or the club (think we can bring in someone that fulfills a need/not happy with him/his performances in the ants have been subpar)

Lucas -> WA club
WA club options -> mid or KPP prospect that can come in and fulfill a role

Hasn't Warnock has recently signed up for another 3 years? According to AFL rules I believe a player can't be traded the same year after being re-signed.

The issue for me is that we carry too many "average" players. Not only does that make us struggle but they take up the development time of the Lucas's, Watson's, McInnes's etc.

As I said earlier we need to clean out about 10 players. If we are half smart we should be replacing them with a group that will at a minimum be equal to that and if done properly should improve our list.

for example:

Trade Hampson for Caddy (GC) Caddy looking to come home and desperate for a ruckman. Hampson is a GC boy.

Thornton to GWS for 3rd round pick They are looking for mature bodies to fill key forward and back roles

3rd round draft pick for Jesse White. Ruckman key forward that could help while Mitchell/Casboult develop.

Jordan Russell for Danyle Pearce (PA) Pearce has played recently as creative HB. VG left foot kick. Would release Yarran into midfield.

Free Agency Boak (PA) and one other?? Boak unlikely but who is around that is. Need to take advantage of new rules. Another class mid would make a huge difference and maybe a key defender.

Gibbs to Adelaide for Sloane Big call but I would do it, Adelaide wont though.

Ellard or Bower & 4th round pick to WCE for 3rd round pick. Good player Ellard and could replace Kerr? WA boy.

Same Rowe to rookie list Because of illness may be able to move him to rookie list. Gives us another space and Rowe time.


We could then delist another 5-6 players and then we would have 5-6 picks in draft. Recruit a mature aged ruck man as a rookie. Also Simpson and Waite become Veterans.

Add that to our best 22 with the improvement in Watson, McInnes, Dale, Buckley, Lucas, Bootsma, Casboult, Mitchell and we look okay.


Don't get too fixated on the names but what it shows is you can really make a difference to our chances in 2013.

Some good wheeling & dealing the old Carlton way would get a few deals done. Look what Sydney have achieved by identifying qualities in players that will suit there game going forward.

Thornton and Russell are both unrestricted free agents so clubs dont have to trade for them. Any compensation picks come from an AFL formula.

Rookie list could be difficult. Can only retain 3 players each year (only one third year also)

Casboult
Curnow
O'Keeffe
Tuohy
Bell
Dale
Bray
Carter
Heyne
Lodge

Safe assumption to say the bottom 4 are gone, and Tuohy promoted.

I'd assume Dale and Bell retained for a second year. Which leaves us with either we promote Casboult AND Curnow or we delist one of Curnow or O'Keeffe.

I think O'Keeffe has much more upside than Curnow, but also has had more chances. Hope he gets a go against Brisbane this week, and we can see where he's at.

Casboult ahead of Bower and/or White is a no brainer for mine, possibly Thornton as well if it really came down to it.. Is O'Keeffe/Curnow ahead of Russell? I'd think so.

Rookie list could be difficult. Can only retain 3 players each year (only one third year also)

Casboult
Curnow
O'Keeffe
Tuohy
Bell
Dale
Bray
Carter
Heyne
Lodge

Safe assumption to say the bottom 4 are gone, and Tuohy promoted.

I'd assume Dale and Bell retained for a second year. Which leaves us with either we promote Casboult AND Curnow or we delist one of Curnow or O'Keeffe.