In the end Rattten will be the patsy-fall guy-for more deep seated problems, but he definitely has to go.
The board need to shoulder responsibilty for appointing him and extending his contract but they also need to take reponsibilty for a whole lot more; the problems run much deeper.

We are imitators not innovators, in every regard, both on and off the field. e.g. the press-we saw how effective that was last night. Good a couple of years ago-redundant now. A trend emerges and we jump on board instead of starting the trend. Next year we will bulk up. DER!

Collingwood has the Ray Croc ' turn key method'. Basically an employee can go fron one Mcdonalds store to another and be able to slot right in and know what to do. Collingwood loses a foot soldier and replaces them with another who knows what to do and fits in to their "turn key method' eg. Ball goes down Sidebottom or Beams step in. Carazzo or Murphy go down and who do we bring in?



In the back ground, however, they are developing their players so Sidebottom and Beams were ready. If the same players were at our club they be swimming in the same contimated water that exists now. Player development at Carlton=poor. I'd really be interested to see what type of player Kane Lucas would be if he were at Collingwood. I'm guessing playing good footy in the seniors.

Collingwood lose a truck-load of assistant coaches and change their senior coach and it's business as usual. Collingwood have a truck-load of injuries and it's business as usual.

Greg Swan you came from that environment, you are on top dollar, you are our CEO, but none of these structures seem to be in place at Carlton. Why? Are you hiding? Haven't heard from you in a while.

At season's end the whole club needs to audited from top to bottom and performance evaluated by an external organisation. Unfortunately board members are like pollies, eager to maintain power and protect their patch, rather than doing what's best for the club or country. I stopped voting years ago.

Our aim should be to return to being the best run club in the country with the best development program and the rest will take care of itself, otherwise a new coach will simply just buy the board more time but the foundations will still be crumbling under foot.

Yes, but who is going to do this evaluating?

People in dire straits often take solace in their footy (or other) club, and use it as an escape from the harsh reality of their "real" life. Don't underestimate the role sport plays in this regard.

Heavs I have no problems with 95% of what is posted about the club, the players, the board and especially the recruiting staff at the club I support but the deep seated nastiness has got me tonight.

Regards Cazzesman

Note: this is a general response, not specifically @ you JohnM

Except the inability to control their emotions when the team is performing poorly (see vitriol on this board), is not reflective of a persons ability to able to take solace in anything. You would be deluding yourself that being so emotionally in a form of entertainment where often get so angry is a form of solace.

Late in the 4th quarter, when the hawks were up about 60 points up a hawks 'supporter' was spitting chips/swearing/spewing forth vitriol at a few hawks players who made some mistakes.

That appears to be the attitude of the majority on this board - vitriol/venting rather than finding solace/enjoyment in the footy. Whilst I respect your rights to get so emotionally involved in the game, it doesnt make you a better person/supporter/fan than those are less prone to emotional rants or who have been calling for cool heads.

Rats is out of control.

Add to this his incident with Hyde last week and there are major concerns.

Those that saw it were shocked!

Haven't read the whole thread, so forgive me if it's been mentioned earlier. What was the incident?

banana talk!
explain what football means to you exactly!

go on!

It's hardly kneejerk and reactionary thinking mate.....it's been the cry on this site for weeks.

actually kneejerk reactionary posts have been the status quo on this site for years - happens after every loss. Those that have criticism of aspects of the club seldom, if ever post those criticisms after a win though.

Ah.....but that's human nature mate.

Anyway...getting back to Cordy and fitness.....when's the last time we stormed home in the last qtr. to win a game?

Anyway...getting back to Cordy and fitness.....when's the last time we stormed home in the last qtr. to win a game?

2008 v port.

http://blueseum.org/tiki-index.php?page=Highest+Scores+by+Quarter

Green grass on the other side of that fence, unfortunately.