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Ratten asked about depth on 3AW and mentioning names like Simon White/Davies...White in particular who according to Ratten can play anywhere. :?


That's it - sack him!


I just find it odd that when we're lacking midfield depth Ratten talks about Davies and White. The three rucks was mentioned and whether it was working...Ratten said it gives us an advantage in the air (which game was that in???).

White and Davies in particular aren't up to it anyway...Davies lack of pace, poor agility, poor disposal and poor decision making make him a liability like Joseph/Russell/Bower. Why would you mention these two??? :?


Well, I was being facetious but not exactly sarcastic. I know bugger all about coaching but that sounds a bit like stretching for positives - not a good sign.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:54 pm 
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verbs wrote:
1 down, 11 to go.

To go till what? I ask hoping for a laugh.... :grin:

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verbs wrote:
1 down, 11 to go.


Good time to crack one open as any.

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The Rhino wrote:
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1 down, 11 to go.


Good time to crack one open as any.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:08 pm 
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that was sickening full stop
they had a chance for a galvanising backs to the wall win to keep the season alive
only to let it slip away through awful goalkicking, no excuse for that it's piss poor concentration
the thing that hurts most is if we started with lucas and russell/bower in place of joseph and watson we win that game.

watson geez i wanna give the kid time but he makes lance whitnall look like black caviar.. only faster
and we are -2 goals per week with joseph in the side every week

soul destroying and the rest of the comp is laughing at as.... and selectors GAGF you are out of your minds


After that little piece of analys, I think you need to sit down and have a good long think about what you have written, I hope it is just disappointment talking.

Everyone on this site has just wanted them to have a crack, and they did, all of them.

AJ battled hard and while he made mistakes I can't see how Lucas would have done any better.

Your criticisim of Watson IMO is just wrong, on current form neither Bower or Russell would have made any difference, I think Watson has played well in his last two games and maybe it is time to leave him in the side for an extended period to see how he settles in and if he can make it.

Players made mistakes last night, but had a go

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:17 pm 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
smithy wrote:
that was sickening full stop
they had a chance for a galvanising backs to the wall win to keep the season alive
only to let it slip away through awful goalkicking, no excuse for that it's piss poor concentration
the thing that hurts most is if we started with lucas and russell/bower in place of joseph and watson we win that game.

watson geez i wanna give the kid time but he makes lance whitnall look like black caviar.. only faster
and we are -2 goals per week with joseph in the side every week

soul destroying and the rest of the comp is laughing at as.... and selectors GAGF you are out of your minds


Reading this ,and hearing some callers on radio, I wonder if it looked worse on TV than live?
I'm going to watch a few quarters on the replay and find out.
I thought the boys put a lot of effort in tonite, and Watto surprised me. way better than I thought he'd
be. Only last quarter really he got tired i think.


No BG I don't think it looked any worse on TV, I didn't go to the game and while I was disappointed that we lost I thought we had a proper go and in the end were undermanned.

Some people will never be pleased no matter what and there will always supporters to want to tip it on the club and the players no matter what happens.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:23 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Cats weren't that flash which makes the loss all the more disappointing given the effort shown....our fwd 50 entries continue to be terrible and certainly contribute greatly to the misses on goal....


You are right there, I can't understand why the forwards keep gathering together or keep leading to the pockets, it just makes it too easy to be picked off and when we do get a shot it is on an angle which puts the kicker at a disadvantage straight away.

To me it seems pretty basic that the forwards should be leading away from each other to give them the one on one opportunity and to keep all the defenders accountable for their man helping to eliminate the third man up situation.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:35 pm 
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blues8182 wrote:
smithy wrote:
that was sickening full stop
they had a chance for a galvanising backs to the wall win to keep the season alive
only to let it slip away through awful goalkicking, no excuse for that it's piss poor concentration
the thing that hurts most is if we started with lucas and russell/bower in place of joseph and watson we win that game.

watson geez i wanna give the kid time but he makes lance whitnall look like black caviar.. only faster
and we are -2 goals per week with joseph in the side every week

soul destroying and the rest of the comp is laughing at as.... and selectors GAGF you are out of your minds


After that little piece of analys, I think you need to sit down and have a good long think about what you have written, I hope it is just disappointment talking.

Everyone on this site has just wanted them to have a crack, and they did, all of them.

AJ battled hard and while he made mistakes I can't see how Lucas would have done any better.

Your criticisim of Watson IMO is just wrong, on current form neither Bower or Russell would have made any difference, I think Watson has played well in his last two games and maybe it is time to leave him in the side for an extended period to see how he settles in and if he can make it.

Players made mistakes last night, but had a go


i think you have sit down and have a good think about supporting the melbourne football club

oh everything is great they had a crack

HAVING A CRACK EACH WEEK SHOULD BE A GIVEN

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:36 pm 
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A pleasing return to some form after a month-long coma - you can't expect them to get it all right straight away, but tonight was a massive step in the right direction. Cobwebs definitely blown off. Disappointed with the loss but comforted by the fact that we lost the game, Geelong didn't win it. Yeah we didn't get the 4 points but given what we're up against I think we get a tick tonight. They set out to play bold footy, they set out to win clearances and play harder footy and that's what happened. There'll be hard taskmasters and whipcrackers out in force here as per usual but sooner or later you've gotta appreciate some improvement, and let's face it - the boys played 100x better than anything in the last 5+ weeks and with more heart than pretty much any game this season.

A true night out for the whipping boys of CFC. The redemption of Bryce Gibbs was great, did an excellent shutdown role on Stevie J. Makes you wonder if the contract stuff was playing more heavily on his mind than anyone considered. Could just be coincidental. To be fair though, he was given a job tonight, he focused and he won that battle. Excellent clutch goal - the last month would have seen him miss that, easy money, Seeing him shut down Goodes every time, it baffles me why he's not given a job every game - he seems to excel when he has a focal point. Brock McLean taking his chances again and dominating, I hope more supporters start seeing what he can bring to the team rather than his deficiencies - every player has them. He's showing what he can do and I think if this form continues we have a spot for him on our list. Watson is growing leaps and bounds every game, again I hope supporters start seeing his potential - some of his one-on-one work when the ball was in dispute was excellent. Collins with another solid game - getting his first CFC goal is a monkey off his back and he will grow in confidence from here with each game. Bootsma much better than last week, a great spoiler and not afraid to crack in. A little lost at times as you'd expect a kid to be but hard at it and tougher than his build would ever suggest.

Duigan a great return, probably the best game he's played all season with the exception of his 4th quarter as sub which can hardly be included. Backline looking much more settled with him back and Hendo floating. Once Laidler returns things will be vastly tighter. Jamo sadly out of sorts, definitely a shadow of last year - hoping it's just confidence in his body and that he'll turn that corner soon. Simmo pretty dominant, kicked a goal I was sure he'd miss any other game this year. Little guy's tough as nails, really looked like he was gonna carry us home in the last quarter which should be Judd's job. Judd definitely out of sorts. He's not the only elite midfielder that gets tagged or hassled...champions find a way into the game. Desperately need a 'Captain's Game' from him real soon, not elite at this stage. Armfield great and AJ solid despite a few errors, he did some great stuff too. Hammer in a horrible, horrible form slump after a promising start to the year. Kreuzer making up numbers, Walker weird, Garlett improved around the ground but needs to find his feet soon or get given a week off to practice in front of the sticks.

Umpiring was absolutely disgusting and I'm actually surprised we got given as many as we did. Stevie J is a dog and Hunt should go for standing on Eddie's hand, but we all know the only bigger joke than the umps in the AFL is the MRP.

2.9 in the last is incredibly wasteful but look on the bright side - we never shut up shop, 11 scoring shots in the last is encouraging. If it had been 11.0, 8.3, hell even 6.5 we'd have proclaimed ourselves as fourth quarter specialists. Gotta get the shots on goal to be in with some sort of chance and we did...but blew it. As I said earlier, we can't expect them to get everything right first week out of a coma.

Geelong are shit. Premiership team and not nearly enough injuries to justify getting out of jail due to us kicking 400 behinds. At least we ARE decimated by injuries and have been in a horror slump.

A four quarter game for the most part, no real fade outs. Hard contested footy, good spread, some good 1%ers, youngsters stepping up, vast improvements to some of our whipping boys and dimmed stars...it's only up from here you'd hope. More players returning, more games into our kids to build depth - there's a lot to like tonight.

But yes, we lost. I think given the circumstances, we had a few wins tonight also.

6 day break going to the West isn't ideal, but with West Coast coming off a loss and a bye and redemption for the finals loss last year burning in the team's memory, anything is possible if they build upon that performance and bring that form next week.

We're on a knife's edge, but we're not quite licked yet. Renewed faith after tonight, hope the hunger continues, it's all we can ask for fairly as supporters - get in, have a crack for 4 quarters, stay in it. We led for large chunks tonight also. If we keep sustained efforts like that up and improve our conversion rate, the wins will come.

Blues get a pass from me tonight, I can actually sleep tonight and will wake up without being in a violent rage.


Good post.
I agree on the pass mark, still badly undermanned but at least got to have a bit more of a look at the kids, I agree that we are not dead yet but we are going to have to win a couple of those tough ones to play finals, the one thing we do have in our favour, is that it is the most even season that I have seen for many many years and sides are going to get beat when they are not expected to.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:39 pm 
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The Rhino wrote:
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1 down, 11 to go.


Good time to crack one open as any.


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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
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1 down, 11 to go.

To go till what? I ask hoping for a laugh.... :grin:


Till the nightmare is over.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:12 pm 
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smithy wrote:
blues8182 wrote:
smithy wrote:
that was sickening full stop
they had a chance for a galvanising backs to the wall win to keep the season alive
only to let it slip away through awful goalkicking, no excuse for that it's piss poor concentration
the thing that hurts most is if we started with lucas and russell/bower in place of joseph and watson we win that game.

watson geez i wanna give the kid time but he makes lance whitnall look like black caviar.. only faster
and we are -2 goals per week with joseph in the side every week

soul destroying and the rest of the comp is laughing at as.... and selectors GAGF you are out of your minds


After that little piece of analys, I think you need to sit down and have a good long think about what you have written, I hope it is just disappointment talking.

Everyone on this site has just wanted them to have a crack, and they did, all of them.

AJ battled hard and while he made mistakes I can't see how Lucas would have done any better.

Your criticisim of Watson IMO is just wrong, on current form neither Bower or Russell would have made any difference, I think Watson has played well in his last two games and maybe it is time to leave him in the side for an extended period to see how he settles in and if he can make it.

Players made mistakes last night, but had a go


i think you have sit down and have a good think about supporting the melbourne football club

oh everything is great they had a crack

HAVING A CRACK EACH WEEK SHOULD BE A GIVEN


Having a crack each week should be a given, but as we know it doesn't always happen, in the real world little things add up to create a situation like ours, players lose confidence and faith in themselves and as a result don't do the things they would normally do, this is part of being human we tend to forget that these guys are young men and not automations that get switched on before a game and do what they are programmed to do, there is also a little thing called the opposition who also have 22 young men going out to do the best that they can, sometimes their best is better than ours, that is just the way it goes.
If you seriously believe that guys deliberately go out to not have a crack you are crazy.

As far as suggesting that I should consider following Melbourne, I have followed Carlton for over 40 years and have been lucky enough to see 8 Carlton premierships and was privileged enough to spend the night of the 1970 premiership celebration with the players at Gary Crane's hotel in Collingwood.

I hate seeing Carlton lose under any circumstances, but I am also realistic enough to know that shit happens.

If we end up in the bottom reaches of the eight or out all together it will hurt, but occasionally things don't go the way we expect them to, look at Geelong the year they dropped to tenth and the knives came out, they won the flag the next year with pretty much the same list.
Sometimes you have to go backwards to go forward.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:14 pm 
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Aaaaah... Good old honourable losses ???

Pass me a sick bag please!

Verbs, do you know something the rest of us don't??? 11 to go till sticks Finally pulls his finger out and does what's needed to drag this club off this sickening treadmill and restore some hope!!!!


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:31 pm 
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If we end up in the bottom reaches of the eight or out all together it will hurt, but occasionally things don't go the way we expect them to, look at Geelong the year they dropped to tenth and the knives came out, they won the flag the next year with pretty much the same list.
Sometimes you have to go backwards to go forward.[/quote]

please dont compare us to geelong, and you dont really think joseph should be getting a game ahead of lucas do you???

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Effes wrote:
Ratten asked about depth on 3AW and mentioning names like Simon White/Davies...White in particular who according to Ratten can play anywhere. :?



O'hAilpin can play anywhere too.

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Far better effort than in recent weeks.Put there head over the pill and kept going till the end.The boys showed a bit of heart.....................i can cop anything,but playing without heart is a big no no.
PS.............Joseph aint no superstar,but christ he has a dip.

Of course it all amounts to jackshit if we dont continue with the same level of desperation on a weekly basis,so its up to the players to show its just fly by night stuff.Next week an honourable loss wont be enough,its win at all cost.I think we can achieve the impossible and win in the West.Sure,the Eagles are good,but not that good.

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I'll be a lot happier when we can do what Geelong did last night and what the great Carlton teams of old did. Not dominate but win and watch out when we do dominate.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:22 pm 
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smithy wrote:
If we end up in the bottom reaches of the eight or out all together it will hurt, but occasionally things don't go the way we expect them to, look at Geelong the year they dropped to tenth and the knives came out, they won the flag the next year with pretty much the same list.
Sometimes you have to go backwards to go forward.


please dont compare us to geelong, and you dont really think joseph should be getting a game ahead of lucas do you???[/quote]

I am not comparing us to Geelong merely using it as an example and it is just one of many over the years, if you like I wil use Carlton of 1980 if it makes you feel better, in 79 we won the flag, missed the finals in 1980 and won back to back 81,82.

As far as Lucas getting a game ahead of Joseph is concerned, they are two completely different players and have different roles in the side, so a like for like comparison is pointless and Lucas wouldn't be able to get in as hard as Joseph, so I figure that with our current problem being at stoppages and contested ball, no I wouldn't have Lucas in the side above Joseph.

You would replace someone like Simpson or maybe Walker for Lucas.

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Effes wrote:
Ratten asked about depth on 3AW and mentioning names like Simon White/Davies...White in particular who according to Ratten can play anywhere. :?

I just find it odd that when we're lacking midfield depth Ratten talks about Davies and White. The three rucks was mentioned and whether it was working...Ratten said it gives us an advantage in the air (which game was that in???).

White and Davies in particular aren't up to it anyway...Davies lack of pace, poor agility, poor disposal and poor decision making make him a liability like Joseph/Russell/Bower. Why would you mention these two??? :?

Ratten's comments are a reflection on our injury list.

Davies is a more natural defender than Joseph who is a poor spoiler. Marcus doesn't lack pace. Better at having a dip and linking up than Bower who lacks intensity and power. Good tackler.

Shane Rogers said White can play forward and back.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:44 pm 
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blues8182 wrote:
smithy wrote:
If we end up in the bottom reaches of the eight or out all together it will hurt, but occasionally things don't go the way we expect them to, look at Geelong the year they dropped to tenth and the knives came out, they won the flag the next year with pretty much the same list.
Sometimes you have to go backwards to go forward.


please dont compare us to geelong, and you dont really think joseph should be getting a game ahead of lucas do you???


I am not comparing us to Geelong merely using it as an example and it is just one of many over the years, if you like I wil use Carlton of 1980 if it makes you feel better, in 79 we won the flag, missed the finals in 1980 and won back to back 81,82.

As far as Lucas getting a game ahead of Joseph is concerned, they are two completely different players and have different roles in the side, so a like for like comparison is pointless and Lucas wouldn't be able to get in as hard as Joseph, so I figure that with our current problem being at stoppages and contested ball, no I wouldn't have Lucas in the side above Joseph.

You would replace someone like Simpson or maybe Walker for Lucas.[/quote]

no you wouldn't, who says you have to replace like for like, i'd rather have lucas and his clean hands and good finishing
than joseph with his constant fumbling costly free kicks against and poor disposal

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