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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:10 am 
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People,

I have been a viewer and participant on this site for 5 years now.
As all of you I have felt the pain of the last 12 years.
I Muck around a bit and rarely take the bait. I have even posted half cut!
To be serious for once.
I have come to the conclusion that if you don't post on here in a continuous pattern then your opinion is relatively ignored. Some of you say how highly regarded you are in sports science. Others of you played for VFL teams. There are few that state that they are in the inner sanctum of the CFC. Thats great!
I have played high level football and still coach high level football. I don't care how close any of you are to the current group because obviously there are problems. So...

I will again post my opinion.

I was there tonight.
No wind to advantage. Ugly conditions.
A light drizzle in most parts of the evening made it extremely slippery.
Port came charged after 2 wins and a chance to get a scalp.
We started well.

THEN

they got a couple and started a real charge.
We let them go. We chased, hoping for a cough up, a release of pressure. They got excited.
The crowd got involved, we attempted to absorb the attack. We did for the first quarter.

Ratten should of been able to reorganize the system. Nup.

Quarter time.

Second quarter was an avalanche.
No reaction. Looked tired, no drive especially forward. Judd out of game and defense under emence pressure.

Half time. A chance to regroup with the potential o grow iota game and attack.

Game plan not working.
Port have their tails up.
Gibbs moved forward. That's it! No
More goals, crowd energy, not one clearance! Its still not workig!

Final term.
Nothing, limp and reactive.
A seriously, emotionally disturbing game for the playing group. Tails between their legs, heads down stuff. No reaction. Downtrodden and beaten.

Some players who played 4 quarters.

Players who Gave us drive:
Ellard
Hampson
Betts
Yarran
Tuohy

Quiet or out of touch
Judd
Robinson
Garlett
Jamison

Very concerning
Simpson
Gibbs
McLean

The ret were woeful. FULLSTOP

Conclusion.

Serious change.
There seems to be a major problem going on. I have been a part of succes and failure. This reeks of admin/ coaching problems.
I don't know Ratten or his men but the messages aren't getting through.
We were flat and disinterested all night.
Gibbs looks useless. Good footballers should not look so weak.
Judd was flat. Very bad sign. He looked as if the world was on his shoulders. It probably was.
I havent seen a game in 5 years where Simmo was so bad. He didn't see much of the action.
Boots and Watto tried and may improve but aren't ready.
AJ was cooked again! Why play him? He isn't up to it. He was a tagger for us in the supposed building years (2009-2010). He couldn't win a back pocket in a raffle!
Scotland is a worker. He is a premiership player but he won't win one for you. Stop making him the game maker.
Robinson was awful. He gets lost und the ball. His courage is based on trying to get back Ito position post missing the mark by 20m! I love his second efforts but like Heater he won't win your flag.

All in all:

We play...

Soft, reactive football with no intent.

Our coaches have no balls and don't trust the playing group.

The admin have been short sighted and even in light of being about Now! Have put together a weak playing group.

Future.

I have always loved Ratten...

But

I don't believe we will win a flag with him coaching.
Gibbs for trade.

The window is open next year with another leadership group and some clear instruction as we already have the talent.

I feel sad to say tat they are playing without spirit nd that is basically what we lack.

Regards.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:11 am 
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We are walking off a cliff.
The sugar coaters can continue to sugar coat the situation as much as the like.
Ultimately however, we are underperforming and in danger of dropping into the abyss.
We cant play in tight for shyt.
Our players have no idea what to do and how to play in contested situations.
They are not drilled for it. Watch how many times they choose thewrong option when trying to get the ball out.. Straight to a man in a shit position. Then watch us not lock the ball i n when we should,
Meanwhile the opposition flick out the back or over the top to men in the clear.
We dont have the correct body types.Trained and prepared for speed (Outside footy which is good but wont win a flag)
We have not DRAFTED correctly for the most important area in the game. MIDFIELD.
Coaching nouse is terrible.. not only didnt they prepare for this... but they have thrown the original gameplan out the window in their panic.
So now we cant even run in space against shit sides.
Its a dogs breakfast...!!!
Coach needs the sack.. just so the players can get their heads right .NOW!!!
They are currently not playing with a clear head!!!

The problem is also club culture.We need to get rid of the deadwood around the club not just list and coaches.

Anyway... this death march might be a good thing in the end.

i dont want to say i told u so... but it shocks me the club cant see the obvious till its too late... and now we will pay for it!!!

At least some people can do the honourable thing now and commit hari kari

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:13 am 
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I don't really have any words left, this is like one prolonged waking nightmare.

There must be some internal problems at the Club, I really can't find any other logical explanation.

I think the players have even less of an idea what's going on out there than we do. Lost, scared, devoid of structure and confidence, morale rock bottom, skills and decision making virtually non-existent. It's not a case of clubs 'finding us out,' it's clearly something deeper than that. This is like a Great White Shark scared of a goldfish. The players have forgotten who they are, what they can do and, even more concerning, how to do it. I'm all for ditching this season, blooding some youngsters and planning for 2013. I don't like the idea of sacking Ratts, it always seems so ugly watching other teams over the last two years go through it, but I think with such a lacklustre season it'll be the only option available after the supporters and media smash us into complete submission on and off the field.

End of an era that never really began...


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:31 am 
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who do you think should be our next coach synbad??


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:37 am 
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The crrect thing to do is to go through a process.

But by doing this.. we probably have to let a guy in the door who will have to battle a shit culture and a stench of past ghosts around the club.

The only person you can bring in that will tell stench to get [REDACTED] would be Roos.(Cos this club is not capable of doing anything properly under the shit ikckers running the club)This wont guarantee a flag.. but would steady the perpetual Titanic we are steerring while eratin people have been around the club .

Younger coaches wont have the balls.... and will fail.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:14 am 
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:36 am 
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A thing that pissed me right off. Port would bump, scrap , elbow, push etc out players and they'd let em get away with it. @#$%&! stand up and turn around and smack em back....soft shit.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:45 am 
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99prelim wrote:
j.scarponi wrote:
- these guys havent played together since Rd 3 which was my point.It will make a structural difference which was my other point - I believe I said that

Anyway still think we can have a solid 2nd half of year providing a fit & healthy list...smashed collingwood when both lists were healthy..


Both teams were healthy???? Are you living on Mars????
Go back and see who they had out? They also lost Reid I think guring the game????


Had a feeling many would get carried away with that win. We had probably the strongest team we could put out on the park that night and 2 more days rest. They had 4 or 5 out from their best 22, lost their best defender Reid before qtr time and their best contested player Ball shortly after. They played the 2nd half with 20 men. It was to be a false dawn. You'll find that most years the eventual Premier will have had an upset or two. We were overrated


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:50 am 
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Well many on this board say Collingwood can win without several of their players out and we smacked them - according to some on this board they say injuries dont matter - fine, we smacked them and they are the facts.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:55 am 
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Collingwood have respect.
We smacked them.
Big deal!

New coach who coached naive and a 20 man team .

The fact is that since that game theyre better.. we are going backwards.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:07 am 
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Get malthouse....stat

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:12 am 
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I've been reluctant to jump onto the 'sack the coach' wagon when I believe that players have as much responsibility for success/failure as the coach.

My major concern about Ratts I have 'suppressed' as I was willing to let him 'learn' and hopefully overcome it. But he hasn't nor does he look like overcoming it.

And that is his ability to implement tactical moves to upset other coaches. Instead, all Ratts does is react to their moves and often too late. Our gameplan is now well known and completely unlocked, yet he fronts up with it week in week out.

Theres a saying in the military "no plan survives first contact". And thats what is happening. Yet Rattts seems unable to respond.

Tactical coaching is all about making moves that the other coach has to react to. When you are 'reacting' to change, you are no longer in control. Yet that is all now Ratts seems to do. React to other coaches initiatives that leaves us struggling.

This will lead, if it hasn't already, to the players doubting his ability as they can see the changes required and the lack of control will cause them to no longer trust the coach. Trust appears to be a huge issue now with this team. They no longer appear to be a team, just a bunch of individuals playing for themselves.

Some serious internal analysis needs to occur and immediately.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:15 am 
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j.scarponi wrote:
Well many on this board say Collingwood can win without several of their players out and we smacked them - according to some on this board they say injuries dont matter - fine, we smacked them and they are the facts.

Lose players during a game, especially key ones and you're stuffed. We were on and everything fell our way. It was just one of those nights. What they've managed to do since is bring in guys who are ready to go and their 2nd tier midfielders have gone to another level. Where are our guys? Who's developing our kids?


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:19 am 
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The rumor I was told 3 weeks ago amongst the afl coaching fraternity is that malt house will be at at cfc next year


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:21 am 
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totallyfrank wrote:
j.scarponi wrote:
Well many on this board say Collingwood can win without several of their players out and we smacked them - according to some on this board they say injuries dont matter - fine, we smacked them and they are the facts.

Lose players during a game, especially key ones and you're stuffed. We were on and everything fell our way. It was just one of those nights. What they've managed to do since is bring in guys who are ready to go and their 2nd tier midfielders have gone to another level. Where are our guys? Who's developing our kids?


We lost Carrazzo in the first couple of minutes against Essendon* and stuffed our rotations...and didnt get blown out of the water.. Collingwood lost by 10 goals


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:28 am 
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j.scarponi wrote:
totallyfrank wrote:
j.scarponi wrote:
Well many on this board say Collingwood can win without several of their players out and we smacked them - according to some on this board they say injuries dont matter - fine, we smacked them and they are the facts.

Lose players during a game, especially key ones and you're stuffed. We were on and everything fell our way. It was just one of those nights. What they've managed to do since is bring in guys who are ready to go and their 2nd tier midfielders have gone to another level. Where are our guys? Who's developing our kids?


We lost Carrazzo in the first couple of minutes against Essendon* and stuffed our rotations...and didnt get blown out of the water.. Collingwood lost by 10 goals


Ok, that's one. Who was the other? Don't be fooled by some last qtr junk goals when they took their foot off the pedal. It was effectively no better than a 10 goal loss


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:43 am 
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jim wrote:
I reckon a visit to Bomberblitz will be more fun.

Always a positive to everything :grin:



jim you ARE the epitome of everything [REDACTED] about this footy club.

Totallly happy with not winning premierships as long as Bombers and Woods dont.
The club has this mentality.

How is this??

I barack for Collingwood and Bombers to win premierships go past us as we live in a world of malaise.. so maybe it will wake us up!!!

I dont give a @#$%&! if Essendon* lose unless its against us... !!!

You take your eye of the ball... just as the club has..

Thats why were shit!!!

We actually pay more attention to what everyone else is doing !!

We even go to games doing this.

Qquite perverse!!!
But considering you defend the club being average at all times.. i can see why youd deflect attention away

Losers mentaity!!!

And you have it in spades!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:04 am 
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Ratts should never have been appointed. He had one year at the dees and then walks into the blues top job. The fault tho is at the top. Who is the common factor in all our bad decisions over the last 12 yrs? Sticks -great loyal bloke but what has he done to show he is has any admin ability?

We are like an old VFA side, with the old stalwart as pres, another ex team mate as coach, and a rich family tipping in some dough to keep us afloat. We need a complete overhaul. A new committee half the size of present, maybe there are guys there now who can engineer that. A business structure that is sustainable and not reliant on the whims of one family.

I don't want Malthouse. He was v lucky to get one flag in 12 years and if he takes that long with us he'll be coming out on a Zimmer frame. How about we have a proper process, like modern clubs do.

We have a lot of injuries, and that doesn't help, but the rot set in ag the Dons and we had a pretty full list then. This wasn't a close battle it was a thrashing. The committee chose Ratts and have him on contract till 2013. If he has to go so do they. It is their decisions that steer the direction of the club.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:05 am 
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bluechucky wrote:
Get malthouse....stat


haha you said stat. reminds of me of ratten. im sick of stats and im sick of ratts and his @#$%&! stats.

so yeah, get someone. a malthouse would bee good but can we at least pretend to go through some sort of process?


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:16 am 
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Synbad wrote:
jim wrote:
I reckon a visit to Bomberblitz will be more fun.

Always a positive to everything :grin:



jim you ARE the epitome of everything !@#$%& about this footy club.

Totallly happy with not winning premierships as long as Bombers and Woods dont.
The club has this mentality.

How is this??

I barack for Collingwood and Bombers to win premierships go past us as we live in a world of malaise.. so maybe it will wake us up!!!

I dont give a !@#$%& if Essendon* lose unless its against us... !!!

You take your eye of the ball... just as the club has..

Thats why were shit!!!

We actually pay more attention to what everyone else is doing !!

We even go to games doing this.

Qquite perverse!!!
But considering you defend the club being average at all times.. i can see why youd deflect attention away

Losers mentaity!!!

And you have it in spades!!!


come on, everyone enjoys an Essendon* loss and a collingwood choke in a gf. part of the fun!
i dont think a supporter taking solace in the fact Essendon* got beat by a rabble like melbourne is the reason weve been shit!


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