Doc I was under the impression we were looking for a process not an actual coach
Provided we have a process the coach appartently doesnt matter

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A vandetta??



The current one cant coach....he is going from bad to worse.

Youre bringing up names like Roos and Malthouse and scoffing at them in favour of Ratts.

Thats pretty funny.

Both of those guys coaached a flag inside of the time has had as coach


Question Doc... is Ratten an elite coach????

Thats what you should be asking yourself

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No matter what the candidates, the rest of this season may well define Ratts tenure. Can he find a way through the congestion? Can he make it work with the injuries that are accumulating?

Did the club set the expectations too high? Should they have foreseen this year would be a struggle given that other clubs would come hunting us and we have a fragile depth until the kids develop?

Have we improved our bottom six? Do we spread the load sufficiently? If not whose fault? Have the players gotten ahead of themselves?

How Ratts (and the club) manage those and other questions may decide if Ratts continues into the next year or not.

If the club does seek change (and I think it will not because that would admit a mistake might have been made) it must find someone who sees the potential in this list but is also honest and forthright in what wrong with this list. The person must be strong otherwise this club will devour them. I have no idea who this person is and shudder when I hear Malthause or Roos mentioned - are they yesterdays men? - is there not a tomorrow person?

But Doc, are you saying that if we cannot see an obvious alternative we should stick with ratts?

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

For those saying the senior Coach doesn't make a difference. I give you Brendan Sanderson............. If the players have faith in the coach, they play for him.

That's what you got from my last post? I'm saying bring up their names as much as you like....they're not coming and if Malthouse is hired you're in for more problems at Carlton than you never dreamed would happen. I like Paul Roos, and he'd do well here, but unless you convince his wife - it ain't happening.



You're kidding right? Both had considerable time in charge before they reached the pinnacle.




I don't use that word as freely as others, but he's as elite as Worsfold, Longmire, Hird and Scott (Geelong) and more-so than others in the League (Hardwick, Lyon).

With Waite injured out of form -Warnock being out - Murph out now - Laidler and carrotts out

you bottom 6 becomes your bottom 11


this year is going to be one of a missed opportunity you can see it a mile - It will be another 2008 where a side comes from nowhere to win it - I think that will be either the Crows or the Bombers

We have missed a golden opportunity to sneak a flag

Cant see us doing it with out Murph

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Ratts has until the end of the year minimum. With the 'cattle' he has it would be silly to bring in a care-taker replacement (Richardson) in the interim if things got out of control. I don't see them getting out of control just yet. You have to remember that the structure, formation and gameplan was executed near perfect against Collingwood. Not worrying about result nor the Pies injuries...just the aforementioned stuff (plus some stats). Since then, the coaches and players have let themselves down in various areas, some of which have cost us matches. Basic stuff done in Round 3 wasn't done in Round 7.

There have been rumblings around for a while now that Ratts only has around half the boards confidence. I'd suggest if we either go out early in the finals or don't make them at all - a change would be made.

Paul Roos is far from yesterdays' man - and I could imagine a kid like Bryce Gibbs really benefiting from him. But you're looking at him being the highest paid person at the club if he can convince his family. And you're losing Richardson, Brown and Riley in the process. I can see the smiles on some faces out there as I type this. Roosy barracked for Carlton as a kid too...but he has a love/hate thing going on with the Blues.

Not sure anyone else but Roos is an obvious choice. It'd just be plain dumb to go another untried though...and truth be told Ratts hasn't done that bad job. How many other supporters are going this batty with a club at 6-3?

Thank you Doc for bringing some quality informed opinion to the place

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Leon Cameron seems to have fallen off the list since being pipped at the post by Brendan McCartney also.

Matt Egan seems to pop up a lot when those at Essendon* look to give praise for structure and game plan credit also.

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by yesterdays men I mean they have both retired - Can they ever be bothered again?

I think he has until the end of the year but with Carlton you just never know

and if there was a move against Sticks (I don't think there is...) a sacked coach might give him breathing space.

Ratts has built this team every year but I still see the same problems there after four years - to me they are

A) forward structure - which is why they brought in Rowe and drafted the tall kids - none of which has worked as yet because of injuries and illness.

B) Midfield grunt - I shudder at the Brock trade when we could have got Ball or Kennedy but that's hindsight - truth is they tried to get the inside mid but it hasn't worked. Should have gone for a couple this year but then I like the look of Bootsma, had to take Buckley and Rowe was for A. Should they have axed/traded AJ, T-Bird or Russell?

In the end is Ratts vision not strong enough? Is he allowed to complete his vision unconditionally? Do others agree our midfield is short of one or two grunts or it simply a case of numbers?
Are injuries hurting us far more than we give credit to?

I hope we do sort out this stuff and find the answers even without Murph and Carrots because I think this year is an opportunity. I'd hate to miss it and hate for either Essendon* or Collingwood to grab it.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

I think you are onto something with Ratts vision.

I've always. Been uncomfortable with how players and admin keep referring to Ratts "improving every year" . I realize this is the case with most coaches , but you don't often hear it said.

They sound like teachers reporting on a special needs child" oh yes Johnny is making great progress he can even play with the other kids now".

I don't see this a great reflection of Ratts nor much of an endorsement. It's faint praise indeed and the fact it comes from the playing group tells me (could be wrong) that they tolerate him.

That's not the feeling a senior coach should evoke.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

Doc has finally got to the crux of the matter on 'Talking Cynbad'. In 1 post he has wiped up a weeks worth of dribble from Synbad and Co.

Synbad could pitch for the Yankees the way he throws so much mud, hoping it will stick. All rhetoric all week and not one small sign of any blueprint for the future. Synbad's philosophy is 'Sack everyone and worry about the rest later'. Not one viable option in any area. NOT ONE! Just tear it all down and stand on the vacant block.

Synbad how about you show us all what a gifted visionary you are and put aside the smoke and mirrors and chest pumping for 5 minutes. Let us all see you Blue Print for a successful Carlton. Present to us all your detailed manifesto for success. Give us all suitable names to replace all those you want sacked. And let there be a reasoned explanation as to who, why and how the Club is to obtain these Messiahs.

You have given us 1000 posts in 5 days. How about giving us one with some real substance rather than just throw away lines or your usual deflections when asked to put up or shut.

Coaches
Players
President
Board members
Recruiters
Fitness Guru
Boot studder
Receptionist.

I have answered each and every question Synbad has ever asked me a 100 times so to continue on and go tit for tat is beyond pointless. We all know he will answer this post with a question that deflects so I have wasted another 15 minutes of my life.

Is that the real question on everyone's mind............Can Synbad present his all encompassing manifesto for success and the inevitable #17?

Good luck with that. Go Blues!

Regards Cazzesman

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Look what you sugar coaters don't understand is that modern football is played in stoppages (this week).
Listen, what you don't understand is that Ratten doesn't understand that .....

So look, if you want to keep being happy and mediocre then fine ... but me and my buddies are going to jerk our knee to find a response because we love the club more than you.

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Left wing moralists
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They shit me no end

Never has been, never will be. This is where we get back to the Synbad argument of 'it's bigger than the players and coaches'...but in saying that - Synners should have more compassion for the bloke in charge who hasn't been given the same power as other coaches.

Anyway..we're clutching at straws a bit with this thread and reading between the lines a bit much. Brett Ratten has my support until the years' end. After that, there'll still have to be some massive changes take place because believe me - it's never just the coaches fault.

Ill just treat that statement with the contempt it deserves.

What a flog

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good morning to you!

what my manifesto is makes no no difference!

but if it was up to me I would have this club independently reviewed from top to bottom for starters!
then when it's been reviewed properly from top to bottom we would know what needs to be done!
the review will highlight all that the club has been doing!

it will expose our weaknesses and shortcomings!

this club is unaccountable and people defending its practices are protecting them!

if you believe the people calling the shots are all the right people making all the right choices -read mistakes- and the club does not need an independent body to survey the club and expose its weaknesses. .then you are part of the problem!

you deserve the leaders and leadership you have! -Plato two and a half thousand years ago!

nothing has changed in regards to that statement!

there are reasons why we are average and not great!

the leadershp that makes the choices is average!

so that filters down to everything!

average turnover
average membership
average performances
average preparation
average drafting
average coaching
average everything

equates to average club

we are average!

you love that don't you?

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a bunch of average battler types doing their best will deliver average!

because their try hard best is average!

but we have more than average to deliver!
the history of this club is one of greatness!
currently we are average!

so you have to say this club is massively underperforming and is performing to a level of being average!

so there are problems with the top tier!

let you guess who makes us that tier!

players get delisted each year to improve! they are delisted because they can't improve the playing list.

same should be on every level.

let's have a proper review of the footy club!

let's find out where the club is at!

should anyone have a problem with that?

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he he lacks support from somewhere. he does not have the respect and does not have the strength to be leader!

so he should either have the balls to gain the support or vacate!

someone obviously doesn't rate his skills.

so what's he doing there?

see! by saying what you just said confirms he lacks the tools to do the job!

so I am right!

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oh and mister c.

how do you feel an independent review of the recruiting people and planning would go?

tick appropriate box
a fantastic
b average
c need time to see

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