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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:21 am 
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Ratten's post match presser (Chris Judd also in attendance)...

http://sportal.com.au/mediaplayer/audio ... blues-8987

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:22 am 
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Hit The Boundary wrote:
BlueMark wrote:
The game summed up our season. Some brilliant footy coupled with lapses of concentration, some magic indivivual efforts coupled with some dumbass decision making. Competative and able to go with the best but not yet quite good enough.


I have to agree BM - what it shows (and we all know it) is that we are a few players short in terms of depth and a season or so short in terms of experience... and it tight matches where decision making becomes critical... this seems to show us where we stand right now.

I am absolutely shattered as we controlled key periods of yesterdays game without hitting the scoreboard but really proud the way we put the foot to the floor and won a lot of contested ball and started playing the game on our terms in the third quarter.

Now is not the time for recriminations.... player X is no good etc....he cost us the game..... its about the team and the 22 who played yesterday - and how we functioned across the whole game. I would say that the first 10 minutes of the game were more crucial to the final result than the one or 2 missed goals later on.

We are all feeling SH&T today but we are on the right track and the last 7 year dark period will soon be a distant memory.



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:38 am 
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HELLAS BLUE wrote:
And another major point I wanted to make which I made in the previous thread and that is that the Gibbs v Goodes match up is possibly the dumbest bit of coaching I've ever come across. Just because Gibbs beat Goodes once (when Goodes was on one leg) Ratts continues to play Gibbs on him even though Goodes has beaten him every single time. Here we have one of our best players doing as tagging job and guess what? It didn't work anyway, the Swans got 24 touches out of their bloke and we get 14 worthless touches out of Bryce deep inside our defensive 50 where they didn't count. Stupid stupid dumb coaching, something that even Leigh Matthews pointed out in the third quarter. He wondered why you'd persist with such a match up when Gibbs clearly wasn't stopping Goodes anyway. Roos must've been laughing all the way to the bank. Give us Bryce on the ball in the last term playing his natural attacking game and we win IMO.


That's an awfully long post about a dumb coaching move without providing an alternative solution.
I think the least you could do is say he should have tried this .......
So here is your opportunity, he should have tried this .....


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:55 am 
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After the cooling off period, it's time for my thoughts on the match, and the thoughts of our season.

Firstly, a close loss in the finals will always hurt, particularly how it has happened for a second year in a row. We can play the blame game, but in the end, it does not change the result.
I thought the team showed great fight, particularly in the second half. To draw on a few positives (yes, there are plenty), Lachlan Henderson was outstanding for us yesterday. He is young, and stood up in a cut throat final to take a few contested grabs in front of goals. This alone makes me excited for next season. Reflecting on my initial reaction to the Fevola trade almost a year ago, the reaction I gave was “Lachlan who?”

Make no mistake though, he will only get better for us. So while he is still only young, I look forward to the improvement and upside to come.
Secondly, we must not forget that while Sydney have been underrated and down a bit over the last couple of seasons, that they still boast many seasoned finals performers in their team. The likes of Adam Goodes and Kennelly, prove invaluable to a team comprised of experienced-elder-statesmen, and young guns.

On the other hand, many of our players have not had the finals exposure or success that the Swans’ team has. Some of our players hadn’t even played in a final until yesterday. We’re a much younger side who must first learn what it takes to get over the line in the close cut throat finals. Sydney however, have been there and done that; in 2003 they lost a close one to the Lions at home, in 2004 they lost another final to St.Kilda, and then eventually in 2005, they managed to pinch victory at the death-knock against the Cats; who, at the time, were in the category of up-and-coming finals challengers.

What glares out at me the most though is where we can expect improvement to come from next season. Finishing seventh and eighth, playing in a final and going down narrowly two years in a row means the club need to take the next step forward in 2011. Whether the improvement is pushing for the top four, finishing higher on the ladder and gaining a home-final, or simply repeating the last two seasons’ efforts and winning a final, I’m not so sure. I’d like to think that improvement will be determined on whether we can win a final next year, and achieve a higher ladder position. The finals learning curve has been 2009-2010, which means 2011 has to be the year that Carlton begins to impose themselves as more than “making up the numbers” in the eyes of the broader AFL community.

Personnel wise, Ratten has said that we’ll be active during trade week. He recognised that we’re a tall defender short, so it will be interesting to see what comes of that. It stood out yesterday, as the likes of Jamison and Bower got caught behind a few times. I’m sure if the club can lure a tall defender, then he will complement our defensive unit, improving the likes of Jamo and Bower, so we’ll be in a much better position to take the next step in 2011.

At the start of the year, many were asking the questions of how far forward or backward we could go this year. Some raised the point that if we were going to have a bad year before a decade where we should be pushing for flags, then this would be it. If finishing eighth and narrowly losing a final is as worse as we may get for the next few years, then we have some incredibly exciting times ahead.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:25 am 
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I just sat down to watch the replay after missing the game yesterday. I have had to turn it off after the first 20 minutes. those @#$%&! yellow streaks of pelican shit gifted sydney a 4 goal start. unbelievable. That hysterical little queen, Mcburney, paying that kick against Waite pushing off Grundy, apparently in the face, but as far as i could see from the replay it was high on the chest. Why did he have to push Grundy off him in the first place, you little wanker???? Grundy holding on to him isn't a free but Waite pushing Grundy off him is? Please! and they are talking up this arsehole as Grand Final umpire???? They are playing finals now, not @#$%&! NAB cup!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:50 am 
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Careful The_Cranium ... a few will get very upset with you talking about umpires like that!

They do a magnificent -unbiased job. :yikes:


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 12:40 pm 
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Welcome to Finals Footy...

When you lose a close one, there are allot if what if's.... Football is full of what if's....

Were not up to the standards we need to be, winning yesterday and maybe making a prelim would be a worse result for this team IMO.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:05 pm 
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It's very easy to get all worked up over our missed shots in the last quarter, but if Swans had kicked straight in the first it would have been game over at the first break. And yes we got screwed by the umps, how a free wasn't paid against Mummy for incorrect disposal.... And don't get me started on the umps best mate Goodes.

What bugs me is how Kennelly had 12 disposals in the the last quarter; what the hell was going on there?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:32 pm 
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cortez wrote:
And yes we got screwed by the umps, how a free wasn't paid against Mummy for incorrect disposal...


No doubt the Giesh will say; "The umpire was blind sided to that..."
What a disgrace. :banghead:


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:42 pm 
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47.15 mins


Thats how long the Swans went without scoring a goal


We should have buried them in that time

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:51 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Careful The_Cranium ... a few will get very upset with you talking about umpires like that!

They do a magnificent -unbiased job. :yikes:


we all concede we lost the game yesterday when we had it won which therefore means umpiring decisions had no impact on the result....of course we can blame the umps but we can also look to other factors each to his own....

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:52 pm 
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bosman wrote:
Welcome to Finals Footy...

When you lose a close one, there are allot if what if's.... Football is full of what if's....

Were not up to the standards we need to be, winning yesterday and maybe making a prelim would be a worse result for this team IMO.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:54 pm 
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I'm gonna take a stab that you think it was Ratten's fault.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:59 pm 
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I must have missed the post that I said we lost the game because off and only because off the umpires!!!!! :confused:


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 2:02 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
I'm gonna take a stab that you think it was Ratten's fault.

Don nowhere in the after match threads have I said that....in fact he did a reasonable job against a much more seasoned Coach in Roos....the Swans will be worse off once he is gone that's for sure....only once did I cringe at the coaching yesterday and that was when I saw both Judd and Murph on the bench in the last quarter when the game was in the balance....our two most effective mids....seemed a little weird....in any case we lost the game early on as again we failed to be switched on early when it counted the most....the first 10 min of the last quarter when we peppered the goals with nothing to show for it didn't help either....

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 2:08 pm 
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yep well that stung.
and you go over stuff in your head...could 've..what if...if only .
but..I'm so proud of 'em..and the way they fought.

sure it'll be tough to watch dogs v swans..but that's because we know we are good enough. we weren't just making up the numbers..we earnt some respect..and in a way..we still stuck it up a lot of people.
I don't think we'll be dismissed so easily in people's reckoning for 2011.
since they copped a huge whack from everyone a few weeks back..they haven't folded. they stand up and fight.

There is just so much to look forward to next year.
thanks blueboys. :clap: :thumbsup:

http://talkingcarlton.com/files/blueboys.mp3

maybe I'll get my song up on the new website? :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 2:10 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Careful The_Cranium ... a few will get very upset with you talking about umpires like that!

They do a magnificent -unbiased job. :yikes:

:garthp:

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 4:29 pm 
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It was the most emotionally painful day for me of the year.

I don't ever want to revisit that type of emotion again.

Will find it difficult to watch any more football for a while I think.
Maybe by next year I will be recharged and can watch footy again.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 4:51 pm 
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Feeling bad today like most I suppose but Bluegirl thanks for the link to your song again.........it does say it all .......they are OUR blueboys win lose or draw. :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 5:08 pm 
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I have spent all day on the net today trying to make myself feel better.
I've just realised, I'm making things worse ..... bloody gutted.

I am and not sure how I will get over the next few weeks either with the filth & aints looming as the GFinalists. :mad:

God help me.


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