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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:38 pm 
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I probably won't get much support for this, but I would've preferred Joey to stay in and Browne to come out, rather than the other way round. I think there's a little bit more to work with in Joey, he just needs the backing of the coach and the confidence. Was good the last few weeks until the rain came last week. A little harsh to be dropped really. Not saying Browne has done much wrong either, mind you.


Agree Sporny, although it may be that teh coaching staff/MC have had enough of a look at Andreson and have made a long term decision on him (probably that he is to remain on the list). Browne has had less of a chance to show his wares this season, and they may be giving him this game (and a run of 3 consecutive games) to assess his place. Either way, this is an important game for Browne.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:51 pm 
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TomAlvin'sWig wrote:
No Yarran is fine. I like it. Puts pressure on Betts and Garlett to perform knowing he's knocking.


I would not be dropping one of these guys for Yarran. It is the 'dynamic' of the trio that has worked so well. Teams can cover two opportunistic speedsters but they struggle against three. Also I think there is something in the mindset of these guys that they feed off each other on the field. So even though Eddies form has been just so-so ... watch him spark up when the three amigos are together once more.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:04 pm 
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TomAlvin'sWig wrote:
No Yarran is fine. I like it. Puts pressure on Betts and Garlett to perform knowing he's knocking.


I would not be dropping one of these guys for Yarran. It is the 'dynamic' of the trio that has worked so well. Teams can cover two opportunistic speedsters but they struggle against three. Also I think there is something in the mindset of these guys that they feed off each other on the field. So even though Eddies form has been just so-so ... watch him spark up when the three amigos are together once more.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:17 pm 
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blue in the face wrote:
TomAlvin'sWig wrote:
No Yarran is fine. I like it. Puts pressure on Betts and Garlett to perform knowing he's knocking.


I would not be dropping one of these guys for Yarran. It is the 'dynamic' of the trio that has worked so well. Teams can cover two opportunistic speedsters but they struggle against three. Also I think there is something in the mindset of these guys that they feed off each other on the field. So even though Eddies form has been just so-so ... watch him spark up when the three amigos are together once more.


Then Robbo is the 4th amigo... Don't think we can have all 4 in the team at once unless Robbo is playing more a midfield role.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:33 pm 
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surely grigg not even being named in the emergencies after another good game in the bullants means hes definatly off to GC at the end of the year


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:02 pm 
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fjanyc wrote:
The Spornstar wrote:
I probably won't get much support for this, but I would've preferred Joey to stay in and Browne to come out, rather than the other way round. I think there's a little bit more to work with in Joey, he just needs the backing of the coach and the confidence. Was good the last few weeks until the rain came last week. A little harsh to be dropped really. Not saying Browne has done much wrong either, mind you.


I try to be as supportive as possible to the younger players but his decision making under pressure is very suspect IMO. Browne has shown something the past two weeks and shown a bit of polish at times when it has been lacking by others.


I agree with this - MC has made the right decision. Brownes disposal is suspect but he adds abit more steele and better decision making nouse than Joey.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:08 pm 
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surely grigg not even being named in the emergencies after another good game in the bullants means hes definatly off to GC at the end of the year


Your powers of deduction astound me.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:12 pm 
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I'm disappointed Joey has to make way again, but its really a toss up between he and Browne and I'm happy to see Browne get some opportunity as well.

Is anyone else finding though you care less about the in's and out's than you ever have? Our depth is good and you feel there are players in form for the Bullants or coming back from injury that can step up.

It may sound silly, but perhaps we're also getting to the stage where players are playing to the structure and it doesn't matter who plays the role anymore so players are more interchangable.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:24 pm 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
blue in the face wrote:
TomAlvin'sWig wrote:
No Yarran is fine. I like it. Puts pressure on Betts and Garlett to perform knowing he's knocking.


I would not be dropping one of these guys for Yarran. It is the 'dynamic' of the trio that has worked so well. Teams can cover two opportunistic speedsters but they struggle against three. Also I think there is something in the mindset of these guys that they feed off each other on the field. So even though Eddies form has been just so-so ... watch him spark up when the three amigos are together once more.

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x3 plus the talk was that Yarran was a cert for this week.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:30 pm 
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Sad to say ... I don't think Grigg will be at Carlton next year. Gold Coast rumors and Carltons reluctance to play him could be a possible reason. I like Grigg ... but his papers may have already been stamped.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:51 pm 
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Grigg this, Grigg that. We can only play 22. Whose spot does he take? And don't say Browne, they play different roles.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:09 pm 
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Good looking team.

Winning team = hard to drop players.
Ando was developing and growing in confidence.
Great to see pressure for spots. Pressure is on.
Gotta win this one for 3 in a row, then the next for a spot in the 4 and 4 in a row, then the next for revenge and 5 in a row.......

North are not going to be easy beats. They have their a lot of their fans turning up.
Even if it's 15000 NM and 35000 CFC fans it should be a full house.

Should win this one by at least 18 points. Could win by 50. Can't wait.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:17 pm 
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Yeah, nah, I don't quite get the "Grigg hasn't been selected to he must be going to the Gold Coast" logic...

His VFL form has been good this year but not as great as some on TC suggest. He didn't play for 4 weeks because of an ankle injury and his timing couldn't have been worse because it coincided with a period where spots opened up because of injury.

And it's fair to say that his performances at AFL level have been a mixed bag so far.

I'm not writing him off (FWIW, I still think he's got potential as an AFL prospect), but I think he's probably competing with Hadley & Brock for a spot and, at this stage, those 2 are simply better players, IMO.

But things can change quickly... :wink:

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:35 pm 
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grigg is better than hadley
cant believe we didnt bring in more of our best 22 this week
hopefuly our vfl boys get hungrier and hungrier
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:50 pm 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
It may sound silly, but perhaps we're also getting to the stage where players are playing to the structure and it doesn't matter who plays the role anymore so players are more interchangable.


Not silly at all...in fact this is the big indicator of a side being in a position to go to the next level....

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:19 pm 
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Armfield is a very handy inclusion. The half back line of Russell, Walker & Armfield looks terrific and we should be able to destroy Nth Melb tomorrow nite.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:31 pm 
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Juddment Day wrote:
grigg is better than hadley
cant believe we didnt bring in more of our best 22 this week
hopefuly our vfl boys get hungrier and hungrier
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That's the beauty about it! :smile:

I have no doubt that Grigg is better that Hadley (or, should I say, has more potential than Hadley) but I have to aggree ( I know - :eek: Shock horror huh) here with the Match Committee.

They no doubt would LOVE the likes of Grigg in our best 22. But for whatever the reason, Hadley has shown more in the two's this year than Grigg has and thus he is more deserving of a spot in the seniors.

Grigg I have a lot of faith in and I do really like him (always have, even since before we drafted him) but he needs to keep up work on his consistency............and I think he's doing that.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:44 pm 
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Grigg was emerg a week or two ago n now nearly everyone is fit he is not in top 25, doesn't mean he is gold coast bound

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:50 pm 
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The choices facing the Match Committee are the best 22 players (in potential) or the best 22 to play a particular team at a particular venue at a particular date/time.

The factors involved will not result in the same 22 players from a team's list.

To win the games you should but may not, if the players are not focused, supports the selection of those who can play as part of a team rather than the best 22 individual players. See champion team compared to a team of champions.

As the reports indicate this week, the return of players who were previously injured puts pressure on all fit players to do their best for CFC rather than for themselves. When has competition been a bad thing.

I support those who see how players train every day, who talk to them and know what is going with the players lives and attitudes, to do their job which is to select a team that has the best chance of winning.

I recall times when players were selected on their reputation alone and we all wondered why they played a poor game.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:59 pm 
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I'm happy with the one change. I think it is a really healthy culture to have at a club to say that if you play well, play your role, you keep your spot, unless someone simply has to make way for an automatic selection (judd, Gibbs, Jamison, Russell etc...oh, and it's so nice to put Russell in that list of examples!).

For me, the only player last week who deserved to lose his place was Anderson.

Of the possible inclusions, the only automatic selections amongst them are Bower and possibly Armfield (who is fast making himself an indespensible part of a close checking, running backline).

Sounds like Bower is short of a gallop, and so will play twos this week. Leaves just the one change/

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