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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:31 pm 
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Probably argue that low impact is not appropriate as no damage done. raines got off for his punch to buddy despite drawing blood as it was felt impact did not warrant suspension.


..don't go by that, the tugger shoulda been suspended.. ..we shouldn't rely on previous 'wrong' rulings.. ..sooner or later they get 'em right..

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:34 pm 
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Dont know how hes going to get off this...
I'm not sure either. There's either a technicality or maybe the "Rance" rule where you punch Buddy in the face, draw blood, loosen a tooth but avoid citing becuase it was deemed not ot have enough force to constitute a strike. Judd's was a mere tickle in comparison. Maybe their arguing the lack of damage and force. Be a good case to use as comparison. Both concerned the face, one a punch the other incidental to a push on a pressure point behind the ear.

In reality, got a feeling though they're going for a tecnicality somehow as I'm not sure either how he gets off it.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:46 pm 
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Josh Kaplan wrote:
Dont know how hes going to get off this...
I'm not sure either. There's either a technicality or maybe the "Rance" rule where you punch Buddy in the face, draw blood, loosen a tooth but avoid citing becuase it was deemed not ot have enough force to constitute a strike. Judd's was a mere tickle in comparison. Maybe their arguing the lack of damage and force. Be a good case to use as comparison. Both concerned the face, one a punch the other incidental to a push on a pressure point behind the ear.

In reality, got a feeling though they're going for a tecnicality somehow as I'm not sure either how he gets off it.


..don't reckon he'll get off, if only cos they'll be scared of setting a precedent and then next year having to adjudicate all sorts of kung fu moves employed on field.. ..it'd be the perfect defense..

.."no sir, i did not elbow him in the head, but rather, i tried to pressure point him and the elbow is better than the thumb.. ..ask Chuck Norris"..

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:04 pm 
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[the whole 'suspensions gained during finals and pre-season' not effecting brownlow chances is absolutely bonkers..


At this stage he has 20 games to poll votes were as most other players in the AFL have 22 games to poll votes :screwy:


..and your point is..?.. ..so, a player can kinghit another during pre-season, play less than a full 22 and still be judged best and fairest and thats ok..?.. ..even though said player missed games from the 22 due to suspension..


The last time I checked the Brownlow votes were given to players judged the best and fairest between Round 1 and 22. Would you like to spell out to me how a finals game or pre season game can make you not the best and fairest from Round 1 - 22? How does this work?


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:19 pm 
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He was smart to come out with the pressure point thing.

He has been charged with intentional and low imact (level 3). If he was looking for a pressure point at back of the neck or ear (or whatever), it will be downgraded to negligent and he gets off suspension.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:24 pm 
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woof wrote:

The last time I checked the Brownlow votes were given to players judged the best and fairest between Round 1 and 22. Would you like to spell out to me how a finals game or pre season game can make you not the best and fairest from Round 1 - 22? How does this work?


..cos simply it's rubbish.. ..the way it is now, a player can be a thug/sniper during pre-season, and finals and still win the brownlow all in the same year.. ..now, if pre-season and finals aren't part of the H7A season, why do the games yer suspended from carry over into that in some cases..?.. ..i mean, shouldn't suspensions from preseason and/or finals be only for those 'series' of games..?.. since the suspended games carry over into the H&A season, it makes sense that they should count against the brownlow too.. ..i mean, if a player misses games during the H&A season for whacking some mug, they're not exactly a fair player are they..

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:35 pm 
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Is the back of the ear part of the face?


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:59 pm 
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budzy wrote:
- 3 points for 'intentional conduct'

- 2 points for 'high contact'

- 1 point for 'low impact'


can't see how any of those will be reduced... hope I'm wrong...

as I said earlier, the wording of the offence allows the MRP/AFL a lot of 'latitude'..

Judds being stitched up because it didn't 'look good', not because of the physical damage caused..



I tend to agree, but then the aforementioned headbut didn't look good, nor did Bateman's coathanger on Lloyd and they only got 1 week. :roll:

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:02 pm 
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The contact was for less than 1.5 seconds. There was no physical damage and the player was not in the slightest concerned.

It should have been high contact and a free kick awarded.

Selwood did more damage to whatsisname...in play, intentional, high, medium.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:08 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
woof wrote:

The last time I checked the Brownlow votes were given to players judged the best and fairest between Round 1 and 22. Would you like to spell out to me how a finals game or pre season game can make you not the best and fairest from Round 1 - 22? How does this work?


..cos simply it's rubbish.. ..the way it is now, a player can be a thug/sniper during pre-season, and finals and still win the brownlow all in the same year.. ..now, if pre-season and finals aren't part of the H7A season, why do the games yer suspended from carry over into that in some cases..?.. ..i mean, shouldn't suspensions from preseason and/or finals be only for those 'series' of games..?.. since the suspended games carry over into the H&A season, it makes sense that they should count against the brownlow too.. ..i mean, if a player misses games during the H&A season for whacking some mug, they're not exactly a fair player are they..


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:59 pm 
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http://twitter.com/SENNEWS
http://twitter.com/Whitey927

They will provide updates straight from the tribunal.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:06 pm 
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Pklz wrote:
http://twitter.com/SENNEWS

They will provide updates straight from the tribunal.



Judd is 1st up at the kangaroo court @ 5.00pm

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:16 pm 
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I have a feeling they will fight this one all the way, because as some other posters have mentioned already other far more reckless actions have resulted in minimal penalties.

If he gets found guilty, I expect they will appeal, and if that fails I expect they will take the issue to court.

Hey, we gotta keep the Blues in the papers right, and take the limelight right? I mean that's our God Given birthright.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:20 pm 
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..Woof.. .... ..deflectings cool hey?.. ..no real need to bring up melvey is there..?.. ..i just think it's patently absurd that any player can literally do what they want outside of the rules before and after rounds 1-22 and still be eligible for the brownlow.. ..if a player's suspension keeps them out of the H&A season, it seems dubious that they can win the brownlow for that season doesn't it..?.. ..i mean, it's not like they missed games through injury is it?, but rather from not being 'fair'.. ..if yer not eligible to play a few games in a season cos you've been ruled to have acted unfairly during pre-season and/or finals, i find it difficult that yer still considered to be fair for the brownlow..

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:22 pm 
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TRIBUNAL NEWS: Judd claims his comments in the media about trying to find pressure points on Rischitelli were meant to be a joke

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:25 pm 
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Judd trying to get it downgraded to negligent conduct - SEN News


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:26 pm 
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Judd claims he only had half an hour sleep and was joking about the pressure points. Under the influence of no sleep is his case :screwy:


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:27 pm 
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Virgin Blue wrote:
I have a feeling they will fight this one all the way, because as some other posters have mentioned already other far more reckless actions have resulted in minimal penalties.

If he gets found guilty, I expect they will appeal, and if that fails I expect they will take the issue to court.

Hey, we gotta keep the Blues in the papers right, and take the limelight right? I mean that's our God Given birthright.


..actually i think it's a very silly move.. ..he as much admitted to doing what the charge is.. ..unreasonable and unneccessary contact to the face, which he admitted doing.. ..not sure where or which point they're gonna contest.. ..if anything, it's just gonna drag it through the mud for longer, and i'd be genuinely surprised if at the end of it all, he gets it downgraded or gets off..

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:28 pm 
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Pklz wrote:
TRIBUNAL NEWS: Judd claims his comments in the media about trying to find pressure points on Rischitelli were meant to be a joke

:screwy:


.. ..he shoulda finished it with "chik chik boom"..

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JUDD UPDATE: We think he's going to get off. Not sure why the past isn't included, given Brown lied in his testimony last time.


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