Yeh, good on ya. I am the first to say stats can mean stuff all.

I actually watched the game and disagree on that basis that they were getting lots of cheap possies in the back line.

Sure ask questions about coughlan, seem to remember that licuria also had a field day on stevens as well. I am not prepared to criticise him too much as long as he gets heaps of possies, but they were relatively innefective today so he is open to a bit of criticism.

please, the stats don't tell the whole story argument is tiresome, of course they don't, but guess what, armchair analysis is not spot on either!

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um senor ?

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Fine,get touchy about my questioning your statistics.I don't regard myself as an armchair critic but just call it as i see it.Blind Freddy could see that the Richmond mid-field gave us a bath.

I was responding to a question about how a number of our boys went.Campo,Stevens and Scotland may have been in the leading half dozen stats winners on the ground but an impartial view would suggest they were all beaten by their direct opponents.

Scotland possession count was flattering to say the least.For a guy with his skills he turned the ball over far too many times for my liking today!
His game today highlighted that possessions are not all they are cracked up to be.

As i said i appreciate your love of stats but i guess we will have to agree to disagree.As a long-time football follower this whole issue of statistics is becoming to me rather meaningless with this high possession Football!

We don't have a forward line capable of taking marks in a contested situation.

Our forwards are one dimensional - the only way they can get it is if it is kicked to them on a lead.

You look at Richo and you see he can mark it on the lead, but he can also mark it in a contested situation.

No wonder we're last in the comp for marks inside 50

It is just so easy to say stats do not give the whole picture, of course they do not.

But they can at least attempt to refute a few of the more radical things that are said.

If you read what I said about the game earlier it was that the number of stats did not mean anything for Kouta Campo and Stevens this week because of the free flowing style of game that was played by Richmond.

You will also notice that I did not have Scotland in my best players because he turned the ball over so often today.

Instead of concentrating on the bagging stats you might see that we agree on more things than you realise.

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We certainly did, hope he pulls up for next week.

As for Krakouer being the 19th man, it seemed in the first half that Richmond had double that out there.

Clearly that was one of the most disgraceful efforts of any Carlton team in histroy.

I am just wondering as to how O'Hailpin would be feeling? He gets a massive opportunity to place in the firsts, and then witness an AFL team (after that effort - I use the term loosely ) barely give a yelp.

Then, just to rub it in - he is given bugger all game time on the ground. Why wouldn't you keep him on the ground? Its not like he would have done any worse than the other 22 players out there!!