I am getting sick of Collo's whingening. We all know the facts, it is time to move on for the betterment of everyone. Don't think this constant negativity helps sponsorship either. I think this Board needs to realise that they are well past the victim stage, it is time they took ownership of the situation.

Collo's comments about these legacy contract$ whilst true is a continuation of his negative theme. Collo shut the F*** up you miserable accountant.

Kouta is no better. He's another big sook. He sooks about Pagan, Collo, etc.

Fair dinkum is there anything any of these knobs can discuss positively about our club. Invariably it's always about the money.

Which other captain or president discusses contracts via the media?

Enjoy Kouta's last year, doubt whether he'll front up again after all this hoo ha and a contract offer of $250k.

Good point. I do think that Collo has done it though as he cares about the club.

Who do you think cares more about the club ?

Collo

or

Kouta.

I would put my money (pardon the pun) on Collo being more concerned about the club- not that Kouta hasn't been a great player. I am just saying that Collo cares more about the wellbeing of the club.


Maybe Collo thinks that by taking this action he can pressure Kouta into shaving at least 50-100k off his excessive contract. Every dollar counts when the club is broke.


The sheer fact that Kouta hasn't put any money into the Carlton heroes foundation doesn't surprise me.

I have incredible sympathy for Collo and Denis. You have a bunch of screaming supporters demanding answers as to why we stink and have no money, and can't recruit new talent, they give you a reason, and you scream that they're whinging??

As much as you'd like it to be all over now, unfortunately not much has changed since last October.

Man, you just can't please some folk

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Hmmmmm Collo working for free, but on the other hand Kouta working for $1m.

It's a tough one.

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I think Collo and Kouta both need to give it a rest in the media..its not doing the club much good and probably costing us members and sponsorships...who would want to put their money in such a fractured venture as the Carlton football club the way it is being portrayed.
Collo needs to lead the way and make some peace with Kouta and portray a united front....we have the Commonwealth Games on, Kouta part of the baton process and the lead story on the Blues is about Collo and Kouta not getting on...terriffic....Spin Doctor Coutts must cringe everytime he reads the paper....glad I dont have his job...

We all know Kouta gets paid too much, he should have done a deal with the club, halved his contract and got the remainder down the track with the club offering him some work perhaps....
I'll be voting for Greg Lee and the other newbies....and calling for a new football dept and coach....

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My point is that Collo needs to realise that every drop of mileage from poor management by previous board has been squeezed. Financial and on field progress is likely to come from selling a dream not continuing to talk about the nightmare. We all get tough breaks in life but after a point you have stop complaining and get on with it, same applies in this case.

In the article it says that this year he will earn a mil. Is that right?

I thought he extended the contract by a year to help the club, in other words a year on the house.?

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Keystone Cops, Egos, selfishness, Greed, bumbling.. youll find it all at Carlton at the moment.

Fancy Kouta saying "please leave me alone...."... you put your hand out for a million bucks you can cop some criticism...Its not like hes beena superstar for us.(since the mega bucks)

Fancy Collo using that as ammo to make a point..!!!!

Weve lost direction and in my opinion need a TOTAL cleanout!!!

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total cleanout - bathwater and baby stuff?

How long would you give the new board?

the new coach?

And if they fail? Another cleanout? And another?

Things can be done better. Get people on who assist in the 'better' parts while also finding the next president. Change yes, but not whole hog. That smacks of cycles and demands for swift fixes. In short Richmondesque.

We all knew Coillo was short term. to the hard yakka, bring in someone better, fresh, someone with a bit of charisma. So lets work at finding this dude, but not evcerything old out, everything new in.

As for Denis, I still think he deserves this year. I think if the team (and he) shows improvement, a cohesiveness, then I will be happy. We all knew this would take time.

In the end I am not so concerned, I like the drafting we are doing and young men are far more resilient than people (often even themselves) think.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Well said DB. Baby and the bathwater is spot-on. It's hard to play poker with the big boys when you're dealt a hand from the UNO deck .

Let's go to the footy and cheer on the boys and TRY not to slag anybody. I think we've become more like the Richmond Saints in our approach - seems that's what failure can do to a person. FFS, it's not even round 1 yet .

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I repeat....

a total cleanout!!!!

If the baby is Damien and he has a 666 tattooed on his forehead he gets thrown out too..


In my opinion we have alot of yesterdayss people around the club.
Board .. MC and players.

People that can no longer do their jobs effectively in 2006.

Thats all....

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yeah but your real name is Chicken Little

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

So that explains why they lost by 99 points the other week. They won't play for the current board and miss Campo!

Nice way to run into Kouta's (and Captain's) 250th game celebrations.........

Perhaps we could do a momentous framed and signed picture


Ian bags players and in particular Kouta's contract....

David tells Kouta to come out fighting....


This might also flow over to his game

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Leave Kouta alone! He's on the back of a B&F, so what more does he have to @#$%&! do!

He's 32, not 25 anymore. What do you expect from him!....

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I expect him to:

be the number 1 clearance player again
win the B&F again
win the Brownlow, he missed on in 2000
kick a couple of goals a game
motivate his players
lead by example
continue to wear that jumper with pride
expect 100% effort from all the 22 playing
expect all players to help their team mates
take us to the finals
expect him to continue to play in the forward line when he gets older
win another flag


....because he is Kouta


THE EMPIRE WILL STRIKE BACK!! following the lead of the KOUTA

For starters Collos comments were not only aimed at Kouta he is also talking about the under the table payments made to players like sos, braddles and god knows who else they are still paying.

let me say the powers that be would have already pulled the pin on Collo if he wasnt doing a good job, trust me he is taking orders from above and and is delivering upon those requests. The power brokers off this club know what they are doing they got collo in to clean it out then he will step aside and someone waiting in the wings takes over

Once things are back in order you will see the emergence of a new Carlton leader who doesnt have to be a prick like Collo is to get this club back on the right track. At the moment we are in the shits no matter what president we have there is always going to backlash until things are on the up and thats when a new president comes in that we all can fall in love with and not looked upon harshly for comments made or hard line approach. Look at Telstra they bought in this yank who comes in cleans the place out everybody wants his blood once his job is done he is gone then the new guy comes in its commin business practice.

This present board have wiped 4 million off of our debt, membership been up, attendance been up they had the balls to move away from optus therefore better free to air games, more money and more people attending Carlton games its what has to be done and Collo has to be make these hard decisions.

Look we can say there no leadership, we can believe the shit the media write at the end of the day we all frustrated whys that? cause we aint winning games its simple we perform well on field who gives a flying f*uck what the board do. We aint doing so well on field we vent our anger else where lets just ride the storm people we will come out of this bigger, stronger then ever we will all learn from it and we should bandy together and all help bring this club where it belongs

we are a laughing stock all this bitching, negativity and politics is bull shit and everyone laughing at us so lets all just shut up ride it out and then we will come back 10 times harder and those who laughed we will see who has the last laugh

Its not as simple as is was before and riding it out means more of the same. We cant buy our way out of our on field problems like we did before
and you can only go on for so long without major sponsors...meanwhile the other clubs are getting the jump on us....its fine being on the bottom, but being on the bottom and in debt up to your eyeballs is different...
We cant keep on thinking its Carlton, we will come good its just a matter of time...we actually need to make it happen rather than waiting for it to happen....

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Looking at the $4 million of debt reduction, this appears to be almost exclusively the result of 3 things:

1) Our Waveryl money
2) payments for leaving optus
3) rediretion for AFL distribution meaning we are paid earlier than we otherwise would have been

What I'm disappointed in is that the board seems to have done the easy sensible things. And okay, they've done those things reasonably well.

What they haven't done is the harder things, such as:

1) Substantially increasing revenue above and beyond increases in membership, etc
2) Re-established the Carlton brand through effective communication of a desried vision for the future
3) Communicated transparently with the members, media, etc

So we have to ask what we want from the board. I recognise that redeveloping PP will take time to get the funding in place, plans approved, etc, but there seems to be no movement on any other initiative in parallel with this.

In short, the board was forced to be reactive with the mess they have inherited. But after 3 years there should be signs of the board becoming proactive. Where are the announcements of new strategies, deals, sponsors, revenue streams, communication methods, etc that are needed to build a sustainable future.

After 3 years these should have started to appear. That's why i support changes at board level at the AGM, because it might provide new ideas at that level and also lets the remaining board know that they must produce or be replaced in the future.

If our revenue is only half that of Collingwood as reported, then there must be other opportunities out there to increase revenue. Maybe not even to match the difference, but if they can earn an extra $20 million in revenue, then this board should have opportunities to earn at least an additional $5 million over the short to medium term to get us out of the shit. But there is no evidence that any new initiatives are even being planned. The announcement of our results was the perfect opportunity to discuss this, but the club fell back on the "it's not our fault" line. What I want to hear is that new initiatives are being planned and introduced, not the same old excuses.