You can track who reads what, can you?

Your point, in this thread, is extremely banal. Our problems are multifarious. Missing a decent leadership group, headed in its questionable form by a 32 year old captain with as many concerning traits as he has admirable ones, is merely one issue.

To argue the banality of one argument, by presenting an even more spurious response isn't exactly proving your point.

And comparing Sydney's oligarchy to our figurehead style is even more ridiculous. Is your point that maybe Kouta is too much of the figurehead? That we don't share it around as much? Perhaps without Kouta that could be achieved more easily?

Perhaps there's a lot more to it than just saying Kouta definitely is or isn't the problem?

I'm not anti-Kouta, I'm just anti-silly arguments.

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This thread was to show that Barry Hall or Brett Kirk have a far easier job than Kouta has with about 10 good mature players around them. Kouta only has 4. Kouta and Lance get a raw deal on this site hence why Synbad said this is nonsense because it shows the other older players he fails to mention. You were right before when you said we're last cause our team is crap, thats what I'm saying too in response to we are crap because Lance is fat.
We agree so why are we arguing?

Yeah TheGame knows where he's at

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CRAP

You know those 16 cups we have in the cabinet?

ALL WON WHILE CONSUMING POTATO CAKES

Potato sc*llops are the reason it's taken the Swans this long.

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Interesting point, but it's the SCALLOPS that bound the Swans together as a team.
They weren't a team of superstars, but played as a team.

The scallops made the Swans the cohesive team that won the flag.

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If you replaced Hall and Kirk with Lance and Kouta would the Swans have made the GF and won the flag?

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If Lance and Kouta got with the Potato Scallop strength, yes.

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If our culture had been abit better and we kept the rest of our leadership / senior group (The Game).... we would have had Beaumont, Murphy (maybe Allen) Hulmey,Corey,Campo,Manton and a bunch of other guys to help Kouta and Lance... but guess what????They didnt like to stick around and help the team because they have all been cut out of the same cloth.(apologies to Hulme who would have bitched but played the only way he knew how) but he wasnt good enough.

what you dont get is its Koutas and Lances mates that have left this club high and dry...

Theyre alll the same...

Only contracts differed.

You dont get that at the Swans now do you... even if they didnt like Rocket.. and even though theyre all a thousand kms from their home city.

You keep talking about Voss Buckley and Hird...

.. the difference is The Game.. those blokes run a tight ship... ours dont!!!

Do you disagree???

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I don't think the captains of any side run anything. They have no influence on contracts, signings, trades, delistings etc. I think its the coach and match comittee who run the show. For whatever reason our mature senior players have been decimated the last few years. I'm not gonna blame a couple of players for their big contracts. Swap Kouta with Hall where do we finish? Last because we get smashed even worse in the middle. Is this Hall's fault ? Of course not.
It's gonna be a long road back because too many of the 22-24 year olds are struggling as well. IMO this next couple of years is when the draft penalties take real effect.

No kidding. There's also more chance of leading a side to success if the side has good players. And, if you kick more goals than the opposition, you more than likely win the game.

These points don't point to anything. Synbad frequently comments on Kouta's ability to lead through performance, and his performances on the park are lacking in certain dimensions. Are you also implying that having 10 older players around him would make Kouta more defensively minded?

Perhaps we should have kept Campo, Allan, Murphy, Beaumont, Hulme et.al. They're about the right age.... right??

Why don't you just start a thread about Pagan being crap like you always intended, rather than waste our time by beating around the bush.

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So you agree, the strength is with potato cakes.

WELCOME TO THE WINNING TEAM, KK.

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F*CKING auto-correct!

SCALLOPS!

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Maybe I could start another thread on Campo is a downhill skier, Lance is fat, Kouta is old or please I need help picking up a girl. Isn't this a footy forum where we talk footy? If you don't like talking footy then go to the other room where you talk about your genitals and stuff.

Or perhaps you could try and say something constructive we can engage with about footy...... rather than subtle anti-Pagan gibes packaged as the most obvious and uninteresting comparison of all time.... or else my genitals will always win out for popularity.

Don't you see that this thread IS just a "downhill skiier/fat/old" thread? What exactly is unique about this thread? Other than proving that Sydney are a better team than us, and disprove a point about Kouta that no one espouses.

Don't think you're doing us a service, TheGame. This is hardly compelling stuff.

If you want an idea for a thread thats a little more unique, you could make a comparison of the leadership styles of the 2 teams, and make the comment that leadership examples aren't always transferable. Context plays a much bigger part. There is no perfect leadership package... only one that's right for that list and that coach and that culture. The point Synbad has been making the whole time is that FOR OUR LIST, OUR COACH, and OUR CULTURE, Kouta might not be the right option. He's given a million reasons why be believes this as well. Perhaps if you disagree you could point at why he is WITH THE PLAYERS WE HAVE, rather than the players we DON'T HAVE, like Kirk, Hall, Williams etc.

I might prefer the other forums... but thats because there's more interesting things in there than this one mate... and this premise of this thread proves it...

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Well why don't you post something on footy? Easy for you to come in and criticise without putting anything up yourself.

Context plays a much bigger part. There is no perfect leadership package... only one that's right for that list and that coach and that culture. The point Synbad has been making the whole time is that FOR OUR LIST, OUR COACH, and OUR CULTURE, Kouta might not be the right option. He's given a million reasons why be believes this as well. Perhaps if you disagree you could point at why he is WITH THE PLAYERS WE HAVE, rather than the players we DON'T HAVE, like Kirk, Hall, Williams etc.

There you go.

There's not much to say about footy. Its the off season. I have my hopes and expectations... I know which players I like and hope to succeed, and ones I hope are phased out of necessity..... there's not much more to add on the subject. Im not going to fill out the footy pages with stuff thats reptitive or boring for the sake of it.

The reality is we're not Sydney. We're not St.Kilda either. In fact, we're coming into an era that has no good recent similarities. Its uncharted waters. We're trying to manufacture a leadership group from scratch, from kids who are 17-21. Its not exactly easy to do, unless you have an awesome core of senior players like the Bulldogs have. We patently don't have that.

So what do we do? Do we let the kids play and grow, or not "risk" them too early? I believe in growing. I reckon Russell should be picked at halfback every week this season, and unless he's injured or pulls out of contests, or only gives 90%, he should stay in the team. The same should go for most of the young kids.

Personally I don't really like how Pagan's tried to develop these players, and how our trading/recruiting has been since Pagan took over, with some better signs this year (though not perfect), and some lucky/clever gets (Stevens, really) in 2003. But Ce La Vie.

We have a young developing team, and Pagan's got to work on that premise, not the winning-games one.

There you go...

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Agree with the point about Russell and ditto for any other young player with ability....they should get priority if Denis is serious about rebuilding....also agree on the last paragraph...we are rebuilding not repatching and its player development that is important next season not where we finish..
Denis Pagan needs to show his hand early and set the agenda by giving youth priority in Rnd 1...

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I hope Kennedy plays a few games at the end of the season as well... maybe in the backline (back pocket etc).

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I didn't have have problem with TheGame's original post.

Either did I.... the "stats" are obviously correct. And its also correct that Sydney are a lot better team than us.

But there's a bit more to it than that

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