Playing Waite back there is just as absurd...Waite is not a defender...I cannot recall Waite ever having a good game in the backline...that includes countless intra club games where he was carved up by the likes of Beasy. Waite and Fev are natural forwards so leave them there. we need to recruit and develop backmen and stop trying to manufacture one e.g Diggers, Prenda, Waite etc etc etc

Yep well said.

What is this fascination with turning our best forwards into defenders?? In the past few seasons we tried Morrell and De Luca down back at various stages and it didn't work. You know why? Because they ain't bloody defenders!

Everyone knows that Fev is a match-winning full-forward so why turn him into a plaything for the likes of Gehrig, Lloyd etc? Fev has kicked 170 goals in 3 years in a poor side, won us several matches virtually on his own and we want to throw him down to the other end of the ground?

The suggestions to turn Waite, one of our most exciting and explosive forward types into a defender are just as preposterous for mine. Let's just let players play in their NATURAL positions. Watch Waite play and it's pretty obvious that he's not a defender, and can't be made into one.

So here's an idea; let's play our forwards up forward, our defenders in defence and our midfielders in the midfield.

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Fair point, only Fevola, to me, seems more 'forward only'... His kicking for goal is what gives him his 'matchwinner' edge..

Whereas the high points of Waite are his desperation, agility, leap, etc.. His goal kicking isn't great at times (didnt stop him kicking 5 against the hawks though), so to me he doesn't seem as 'locked in' to a forward role as Fevola is... He's still young, he can learn to play back as well I think.

I think it's at least worth a try...

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Of course you don't play the guy as a permanent FB but you have to try options.

First people say Pagan doesn't pull many tactics, then he tries something like this to experiment and he's blasted for it.

Nothing wrong with trying a couple of things to unsettle the opposition.

Remember in the 99PF, Manton played at FF and kicked the first goal...

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The only problem is we don't have any GOOD defenders to play in defence. Fev at full back is utter lunacy though!

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And that is why you recruit and develop them and don't gap fill...surely that is one of the reasons that the draft camp profiles types of players. Never blasted Pagan for trying somethign different but Waite has been tried without success and is now showing confidence in obviously his preferred position. Lets not ruin that now. Let other teams worry about our good players rather than us using our attacking players in negating roles.

Fev hasnt fully mastered Full forward yet!. Let him become a star full forward first. He is already an erratic footballer imagine if he has to have something else to remeber?

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CC i agree that we should try things, but i hardly think putting Fev down back is going to unsettle the opposition. Even i would be licking my lips at that thought if he ws to man me up:lol:

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The point is guys, and it was mentioned...If Fevlova isnt getting his hands on the ball he then becomes a liability...I actually think the idea has merit in terms of him learning to play down back, then perhaps we may get some value from him when he isnt taking those breathtaking chest marks (lets face it he cant pack mark)!!!

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The only reason you would play Fevola at fullback would be because you weren't trying to win, or in other words, "tanking".

Didn't Barry Hall spend time at full back when at St.Kilda?

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Brendan Fevola has been the centre of attention ever since he kicked those 12 goals in 1999 . If the club had any sense at all they would take a very low key approach to Fevolas preperation next year . Use him as a rotating forward much like they rotate the midfield. Do not centre the gameplan around him like Pagan has done for the last three years . Make him the occassional first target then the second target and then the third or even fourth target. They do this and develop Fisher Waite and Longmire/ Sentanta then we will be all better off for it. Fevola needs to spend more time drifting up to the wing and pushing back to the contest much like the role of Tredrea . He is to easlily countered playing the leading forward or the marking forward. He does not have the ability to consistantly play this role against quality defenders. I would much rather Fevola kick 40 goals next year with 15 possesions a game than have seasons like the last three where he kicks a bag in one game then goes missing for the next 5 .

Or by the way he is not a full back arsehole

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Yeah; I remember it well....he threatened to leave the Club and go to South Melbourne if he wasn't played at Full Forward.

Luckily; he could not kick straight to save his life, and the experiment was short lived and abandoned.

good to see that at least there is some discussion.If I was to nominate Carltons most overrated player it would be the fev .Why

1 Because the most he has kicked in a game is 8
2 Forget the millinium match .That was a 100% WANK
3 hE DOESNT TAKE ENOUGH PACK MARKS.
eVERYONE TALKS ABOUT HIS ENORMOUS POTENTIAL BUT HE HASNT REALLY SHOWN THAT TO THE DEGREE I THINK SOME THINK HE HAS
The bottom line is we won the spoon and it is worth the risk at least for the first couple of games.

quite frankly i think we would all agree it is d-day for Fevola and he must delivere more consistent output.Whats more I think DP has run out of patience with him.Interesting times in 2006 no matter what happens.

So you think he needs to deliver consistent form, but you want to switch him, a natural forward, between FF and FB.

When you say he is a natural forward do you mean he can only play in that position
The year the fev played in the magoos in 2002 he played mainly in defence and did ok.The fact is megaman if Pagan is served up with the same crap Fevola put on display in the second half of the year something else will have to be done.

If I were you I'd go back to following ping pong and badminton and leaving the football analysis to the experts such as myself.

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I wasn't saying you start him at FB.

People don't read posts nowadays, they just pick words and see what they think see and respond to that.

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Why doesn't the Australian Cricket Team open the batting with Glen McGrath or perhaps give Mathew Hayden the new ball while we are at it?

Two key forwards in Fevola and Whitnall ! How lucky are we .Hope thats where they play this year.
BUT .......Reckon you are correct Keogh in that Fev is more than capable of playing in the backline.He actually played loose man in defence one day and wracked up 40+ touches.It was about 3 or 4 years ago in an ABC saturday televised match down at Frankston.He actually one the man of the match award.Phil Cleary nearly wet himself with excitement.
Come on you VFL guru's.........Do you remember that game.

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