Probably not..if we continue to cellar dwell even though thats probably what we need to do for a while..there will be calls to sack him and I think he will go...
I think many here will want a younger coach especially if its a champion retired player like Voss who might do a year or two assisting like Worsfold did and then want to coach...
Ian Collins is another who i think will be replaced as well...ill health, TD issues, lack of success, if Fev gets the boot I reckon Supporters will turn on the club and we will have a changeover at the top end of the club...Malouf maybe the only one who does survive....
Grand finals are along way off...we could go through a few coaches until we play in one....

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Thank you.

And many happy tanking years ahead to your team also.

I couldn't agree more
Dennis has far too much pride to leave football with his reputation in tatters... He will leave only once the job is done!

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Funny that as Pagan coached the under 19's to flags, and then the reserves to a flag, and then the seniors to a flag.....

Thomas is not a very good coach..


You haven't thought about what you have said have you??

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Wasnt Worsfold Carltons backman coach a few years back, when Ken Judge was coaching WC. If true why was Parkin developing Brittian over Worsfold?

Gwilty St Kilda have a good list but St Kilda people always say they are gonna win a premiership, but they never do. Thats the difference between Carlton and St Kilda. Carlton was so successfull because we took our chances and won even when we were underdogs. St Kilda never think of the present they say its the future and before the supporters know it, there players are old and crap.

You and the rest of St Kilda supporters can talk up you team as much as you want but no one would care unless St Kilda win a premiership. Thomas a premiership coach hmmmm cant see that. Stop chocking!

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Yes gwilty the aints have proved that haven't they....and why? because they have that fool Thomas to nurture and guide them. And what a terrific job he's done eh....lets not train tonight boys come on lets go to the pictures...oh you can't your all injured

Give us a break.

In fact if the aints had a coach instead of a buffoon they would have won this years flag...but then its St Kilda so they probably can only win one if Collingwood is there to lose it.

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Gwilty,

Rest assured that if Carlton gains even half of the first round draft picks that the Aints have had in the past few years, we WILL WIN A FLAG.

With all your looming retirements you guys are almost at the stocking up stage again.

No point going into the finals every year in great form unless you win the ultimate prize.

well you all seem to disrespect Thomas, probably because your coach Pagan is not the same calibre or genre, and has delivered only draft picks and continual dissapointment to your team.

The problem in 05 with the Saints had nothing to do with Thomas's and assistants very good coaching, it was the fitness/conditioning department at fault. Now most of them have been let go and we have Craig Starcevich at the helm, expect rapid changes and many more top players available at St.Kilda next year. Watch out!

I cant see him winning a premiership but i can see him rebuilding the team and getting into the finals. 2008 carlton will be serious finals contendors.

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Blame the fitness staff for impact injuries.

When will people realise that most of the injury tolls in the AFL are more due to bad luck than poor management. Hawthorn's fitness staff received praise when they got them to 3rd then the same people using the same methods were sacked 2 years on when the team performed badly. Thomas has managed to get rid of almost everyone associated with the team off-field last season ... except himself and Matt Rendell, the two most senior people with the most responsibility!

Find a scapegoat and don't ask the real hard questions ... thats the St Kilda way!

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I'm sitting here on a bored Friday night, nothing on TV, watching the tape of the Wizard Cup final (yes, I need to get a life!!!). We, were hard, committed, skilful and ran so hard, applied emormous presure on th ball carrier, and delivered the ball so well. We had a 5 goal win against a very good side, Grand finalists in fact. Given Wizzer finalists invaribaly finish top 5 indicates that crap sides don't win it either. I know we have to take into account it was still pre-season but what has happened to that committment and hardness between March and August? You can show that irrespective of how you're going. Somewhere along the way it seems the relationship coach/player somehow disintergrated.

We did well in the Wizza Cup, but in reality it is a completely different game.

6 on the interchange - therefore higher rotation and poor midfields can cover their deficiencies more (like ours). During the season proper our midfield was found out without a 6 man bench.

Shorter Quarters - less of that all important 'red time'. Those last few minutes of a quarter where the lactic acid is building and fitness is tested and guts and determination win out. We were probably one of the worst 'red time' teams in the comp this year, therefore in the Wizza this weakness was not exposed.

Play on When Kicking Backwards - The flowing game that this rule encourages suits the Pagan gamestyle. During the season proper teams could kick backwards, take their time to set up and switch play effectively against us.

Saying that Wizza cup form should translate automatically to the season proper is too simplistic.

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Those things aren't going to make that much difference, very little in fact. Those rules changes don't make mega-goals difference to a team. You still have to be able to play football. The biggest difference would be the committment level of some teams. But given the history of the sides who win it indicates you need ability too.The final isn't a practice match. It doesn't explain how you can go from those sort of heights to being totally non-competitive. And irrespective of ability you can still show the fight, committment and endeavour that was demonstrated in that competition. What happened to that committment in that intervening time?

I would also point to the fact that we lost our CHB in the wizza cup final and our FB in the first game of the season for extended periods.

Our backline was not great to start with, but to lose our best two key position defenders had a significant effect on the team as well the factors I have already mentioned.

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Our FB was so important? Where was he late in the season?

Take the best FB and CHB on your list out of any bottom eight team and it will have a greater effect than for the better teams. They both had serious injuries which effected them for the vast bulk of the season.

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Valid points here but i do wonder whether Pagan is the man to take the Blues into the future.
Losing Livo was probably a blessing in the end because he was shit when he played and Thorts was bad too when he came back. Pagan didnt give some of our younger guys enough game time(bentick) played Campo too much in the middle until finally moving him to defence played Houlihan in the wrong possie (has to play on wing or even better in forward line) doesnt know what to do with Prenda etc.

It seems to me that Sheedy,Pagan and Malthouse have their jobs for certain when maybe a change of coach would be a good idea.
If we are shit in 2007 sack him.The difference between the wizard and the regular season was too vast and something must be wrong behind the closed doors.

Losing a FB and CHB doesn't make a difference to the level of committment, to applying enormous pressure to the ball carrier, to be able to run hard and long, to use the ball well, and to work for each other, all those aspects demonstrated pre-season. The Carlton of the Wizzer would've beaten the Carlton of mid-season by 12 goals or more for those reasons alone. You have to ask why that is the case? What happened in the intervening time for such a downturn in performance to occur? We did win half our games last year and the pre-season so comprehensively so we can't be that bad. We had the right at that stage to be talking finals., even if it was 6-8th place. Even the bookies had us at $14 for the flag after the pre-season.

I thought the commitment during the first few games of the season was good.

Even without our FB and CHB, but for one point we would have been 3-3 after 6 games.

It was the Richmond game in Round Seven that stuffed the rest of the season up.

That game sapped the confidence out of a very young list. It took 10 weeks for things to get back on track. Pagan is of course not blameless, but he is not totally to blame for everything that happened this season either.

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It was the same side that got belted really badly a few times in 2004 and bounced back to win the next week...each time! So i'm not sure confidence would be that sapped tp the point of being not competitive. Sides kicking 12-15 goals consecutively in games against us, getting 19 kicks in one qtr as we did against WCE.Committment went out the window.