The other thing to remember is we won 9 games this year with the players that left only playing on 1 leg, if at all.
And in a normal year, 12-13 wins would've got you in the 8.
The top 8 teams had all pretty much embraced the new style of football while the rest of us hadn't.
We've changed that now, we've added the players that can play that brand of football, as our list was not going to get us there.
I don't see loss, I see opportunity.
Get on board you lot.

We played the same footy because Voss is stubborn not because of injuries or personal. He played the youngsters later and we played a faster brand of footy.

Was made to play the youngsters.

The problem is almost every team in the league has more young talent and will improve more than we will, IMO. Who do we have under 23 that genuinely looks like being a future All Australian? Jagga maybe, but he hasn’t played a game. I like Cowan. Moir has showed a bit. But compare it to what other clubs have and it’s pretty grim.

I think our list peaked two years and is in decline. I don’t see us competing for a flag while Cripps, McKay, Weitering, Hewett, Newman, Saad are around. This has full rebuild written over it. It’s history repeating itself.


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Oh no we broke up the team that was so good in 2025.
Of the ones that left, who was considered to have actually been good? JSOS? The rest were moaned about all year long, or were simply insignificant (Durds)

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I’m not concerned that we broke up the team. It had to be done. All year long it was clear that this rebuild had failed. It’s just the realisation that we are back at the bottom of the mountain and our young talent is very limited


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We have to be better in 2026 when we have traded a vice captain whose view is Carlton’s a hard footy club to play for when you’re not playing well and it’s a lot of pressure there ( used car salesman D Orazio talking on behalf of his client and the reason why he left Carlton ) PATHETIC great leader NOT and terrible choice as vice captain
This is after slinking off to Geelong in May trying to get a trade
Piss off to Sydney and hide you and the used car salesman can get stuffed you have no good will left with our club or it’s supporters

Couldn’t agree more Frank. This is the reason for my disdain for Curnow. He did have a good reason for leaving. His reason is basically the going got tough, so I bailed on my teammates, my coaches, the fans, and the club which has supported me through years of injuries. And to make it worse he giggled and smirked the whole way through it

Weak mentality. Not a warrior. Piss off


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This is the big opportunity for Voss and co to sort out and make a huge improvement to the way we play.

Of course we will all miss a firing Charlie who ignites the crowd and is great to watch when he's on song. We will also miss his late quarter efforts in defence in tight games.

But, we have to do things differently now precisely because of the personnel we have. We need to find a new way, a better way. I think/hope with Davies around that our coaching group will be better aligned and that will reflect in our ball movement.

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Our young talent won the last two games of the season. Admittedly they were dead rubbers, but we could have lost them and we didn't.

We won those games without Curnow and JSOS who are now gone and Jagga and HOF who are the nucleus of our young brigade.

We also have what no other club has and that is Frank the Tank. We just need an incremental improvement from all our young kids, a seamless integration of our newbies, a return to form from our oldies, less injury, a better culture, a more modern game plan and we will be alright.

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I said this elsewhere but we tried the superstar approach and it didn't really get us anywhere.
When did Charlie TDK or JSOS win us a game off their own bat anyway.

I feel somewhat energised about next year.

Yeah against Port who finished 13th and Essendon* who finished 15th and had a reserves team on the field. My point exactly. That is our level


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I think we will be better next season than we were this year.
We have brought in faster, more skilful players and a couple of specialist forwards.
This year we were one of the best for i50s and one of the worst for scores from i50s.
As others have pointed out, we have had as many or more ‘stars’ than almost every other team for the last 5yrs but have lacked that next tier, dropping off quickly.
Now, we have brought in a bunch of ‘next tier’ players.
As it stands, pre-draft, we will start next season with 6 new players of whom 4 are upgrades and walk into our first 23 (Hayward, Ainswerth, Florent + Jagga). And the other 2 might be top 23 as well.
Not to mention the return of Newman, Kemp and Cottrell (who I think is underrated in terms of the role he plays for us linking up with speed and connecting forward). And hopefully Walsh gets a clear run (although history suggests we can’t rely on that).
Plus the growth from some of the young’ns from this year, esp Lord. And hopefully a Campo or two can step up.
Maybe a couple slow down a bit e.g. Saad. Or maybe, Saad just had a down year like many did.

And, without Charlie, Voss will need to find a different way forward and the players up the field won’t have the out of ‘bomb it to Charlie’.

PLUS, having heard Davies speak only a couple of times, I already have infinitely more confidence in him than B Lloyd (although I’d be more than happy to bring in the other Lloyd as a forwards/kicking coach).

I feel like we are heading in the right direction. And, if it turns out that this path fails again, we will be in a position to offload another star or two while they still have currency and fully reload. But I feel like we are closer than many people think (notwithstanding the huge moat the AFL has erected around the expansion teams…)

A lot more positive about 2026 than the season just gone. Voss and coaches won't have been able to sell the same narrative around game plan that they did last year when anyone who knew anything about footy should have been able to see that a 10th - 14th finish was on the cards.

2026 promises more honest football with a tough streak in the forward half. A fit Walsh will go a long way to others improvement in positions of comfort. That said we're still a Weitering knee injury from disaster. Finals? No. But I just want to enjoy the way my team goes about it. 4 ex-Bloods in the line-up every week. Only one player who went to Xavier on the list and he's not guaranteed a game. It's looking up already.

I think Hayward will set a great example and support a different tone for the forward line. Particularly an opportunity for Hayward to help kemp and Moir develop much more quickly as half (third) forwards.

Also pumped that the Hayward and Florent mate ship are solid examples of the famous bloods spirit. As we know with Newman and Hewett (who have been significant and successful additions to our group).

Who went to Xavier? Including those no longer with us.

Just curious.

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B: Newman - L. Young - McGovern
HB: Saad - Haynes - Florent
C: Acres - Williams - Chesser
HF: Evans - E. Hollands - Fogarty
F: Ainsworth - Reidy - Haywood
R: Pittonet - Cerra - Hewett

Not exactly a best 23, but as it stands here's the 18 players on our list who have pulled on another jumper.

Yes , and our next move is home grow that spirit rather than import . Starts in the dressing room .

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I disagree, look at the Pios, they have sweet FA, Geelong only have a couple also.
But what they do have is a strong middle tier group.
We have plenty of good kids coming up, don't forget they can't all be A graders, we need good B graders also.
Plus with the extra draft picks hopefully we can keep adding.
But what is and has been proven is you need good depth and balance in the list.
As you've said, we have Jagga, Moir (I hope he's a bit more desperate to be in the 23 this year), HOF will be a gun in a few years, so to Dean, Lord is going ok, the Campos will get there, then you have Cody and Ison etc.
It's not that grim if you think about it.

The trick is next year we try and get Humphrey and Butters, that is how we step the list back up to flag contending.
You might be right on a couple of those senior boys not being there, but I reckon we can still aim for 2027.
Hopefully next season we look to add a mature premiership player to the list also to keep that top end going.
I'm going into next season positive in that we have added players that can play the roles we needed all season.
This can only be a good thing.

I have no doubt it will change, we tried this year but were unable to maintain it for more than a quarter until the end of the season.
Putting the right players into the mix will change everything IMO.
We will have a new attitude in the playing group with 5 mature players added and new coaches.
Not sure how much influence Davies has on the ball movement but I hope we can deliver something more reliable and less taxing.
The players love Voss, we've heard enough people say it, especially the new guys coming in, 5 players that have come to play for him.
A lot to look forward to.