17th Premiership wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
17th Premiership wrote:
CK95 wrote:
I wasn't that dirty on May but it'll be interesting to see what happens. I thought he chose not to deviate but he didn't choose to bump. The ball was right in front of him.
That said, it was good to see him go off with a sore head after the TDK mark
I agree with this. I’m not sure players should be rubbed out for that.
I thought Carroll and Cowan were excellent.
I like Williams going through the middle a lot.
And Moir showed something. I have hopes for him to play the role we wanted Martin to play.
I don’t think our list is as bad as some others think.
I do think our game plan needs some work, particularly the way we move the ball into the forward line.
And we could use a bit more speed in order to enable more space and better delivery.
Nothing wrong with the list?
Is our window open or closed?
Our best 23 is great.
We have 9 small forwards.
We need a skinny 19yo to hold CHB
There’s glaring gaps.
Our list is as good as it can deliver
We are 12th on the ladder
The fact we had 17 players coming out of contract in 2025 and another 14 in 2026 tells me the obvious about our List as a whole. There was question re contracts on 30 of our players. I’d say there’s questions on 15 players of 44.
I agree it’s not as bad as some think and we can turn this around pretty quick.
Game plan vs Skills.
Did you see how many straight forward kicks went over players heads in the forwardline. I bet no one would be questioning th3 game plan if our players were consistent with the basics, kicking set shots at goal and executing easy passes to players on a lead…ignoring team mates in better position is a decision making issue.
Players need to be turned over. More than the 3 expected by the AFL. Our list issues run deeper than 3 players. At least 8, maybe 10 this year, and another 6-7 next year. That’s more likely than not, and that’s a lot of change to the list. Is that bad or good? Depends if we are rebuilding or playing for a Flag. Our rebuild started in 2015. Our List should be ripe for a tilt for a flag. Yeah? Nah ?
No I’m not saying there’s nothing wrong with the list.
Just that I don’t believe it is as bad as some others do.
I have seen those terrible skills, especially kicking and poor handballs.However, I believe that a significant contributor to that is the poor game plan (or poor application of it) and perhaps a lack of preparation and planning, most likely from within the footy department.
There are several players show terrible skills who I know have demonstrated pretty good skills previously.
Many of these players only make it to the AFL if they have pretty good skills which is what separates them from everyone else who’d love to be playing at this level. And the high proportion of poor skills at Carlton compared with other clubs tells me this is more of a Carlton thing than a player thing.
Yes, there are some whose skills need to be better. But that can be mitigated through training and practise.
What I see are players who look confused about what to do, hesitating or in tow minds or there’s no-one leading or making space for others to lead and then we deliver under more pressure which results in poor execution.
Where other teams kick to space and let their teammates run onto the ball, too often we either try to pinpoint a teammate which is hard to do with little margin for error, or we bomb it on top of the heads of our teammates.
I don’t think this fixes everything but I do think a better game plan (including movement from players ahead of the ball) and greater clarity in the players’ minds, will result in better looking skills and execution.
I don’t think we are as far away as it looks right now. See Adelaide from last year, or Collingwood for that matter. Or Richmond 2016. Or Melbourne 2020. Or Collingwood 2021.
I do think we need a bit more pace through the middle and a bit more polish in front of goal. And we need a better executed game plan. And probably a change in some of the assistant coaches (if not the senior coach). And perhaps better training drills. And a more hungry and unquenchable drive to win amongst the playing group.
But I don’t think we need to start list again from scratch just yet.
No one is saying the highlighted bit. That's an exaggeration in commentary.
We have a spine. WE have some good young players.
We have 2 KPFs who DO NOT have a set routine set shot at goal, and I can say the same about a few forwards.
Your comments reflect the easy way out by blaming the coach for everything. Players are untouchable, and as close to perfect as we need?
Which players who are not showing their proven skills? Curious. And we can start from there.
You are clearly blaming our poor skills (since round 1) on the Coach and MC.
I look forward to see your preferred minimal changes at the end of the year.
One Coach, 3 Assistant Coaches, and I will be surprised if its just the 3 changes to the list, which reflects your value of the players who fail to deliver.
The misses by foot last night highlighted to me the calibre of Dees and Carlton
players reflect the 12th and 13th position on the ladder.
What we need to do NOW and before the List changes or New coach starts is which players can hit targets. Question whether player skills are where they should be.
I do not believe skills will be improved over one more summer or with a new coach. Like I said, I'd like to see which players you name whose skills can be blamed on the game plan.
New coaches usually make hard calls and weed out the unskilled and mentally weak, so I expect that in the 2nd year of a new coach. In the mean time its up to our Coach and List Mgr to weed out the weak.
I have no doubt the coach has nothing to do with all the easy set shots we have missed since round 1.
I cannot beileve these players who regularly miss targets can attribute their failure on the coach.
We don't need those types of conditional players on our list, or not all of them this year, and hopefully at the end of 2026 we will see the last of the passengers.
Login
Register
FAQ
