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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2023 10:03 am 
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Owies and Cottrell for Honey and Ed seem the obvious changes.

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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2023 10:20 am 
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VFL game on soon.
All eyes will be on Owies and Cottrell.
If Boyd has a blinder, he will be pushing for a spot too.

Owies for Honey
Cottrell for Hollands

Need to watch VFL and last night's game again to think things through re Kennedy and Ed.

Forwardline needs a marking HF, like a fit Jack Martin.

I hope Weiters elbow is OK.
I thought Young was good before coming off. I hope he's OK too.

Dogs have a bit more tall timber than last year

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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2023 1:48 pm 
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Just watched the VFL.

Owies is the only one who SHOULD come into the team, and take his spot back from Honey.

Cottrell, was OK, looked a class above VFL, but at times looked rusty.

Boyd? Not ready imo

16 kicks may see m good going from BP, but 15 of then were from playing on from the kick out.
Selfish. Hospital Handballs aplenty and gives away too many stupid frees and mouths off to umpire.

Boyd will make it back to AFL, but not next week for me.

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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2023 1:53 pm 
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If Cottrell & Owies play well tomorrow they should come in. Kennedy into the 22 also

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Cottrel automatic in, we're not that bad.


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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2023 2:06 pm 
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Watched the game. Cottrell Owies Boyd come in with Kennedy for me

Dow was good. Binns is close. Carroll solid. Cowan can develop for a while.


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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2023 3:08 pm 
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Watched the game. Cottrell Owies Boyd come in with Kennedy for me

Those are the ins, for sure. Whether it’s the best outfit for the Doggies would need a bit of discussion, but they’re only going to be following the same recipe as everyone else:

Get the ball outside the stoppage & win the foot race.

What to do about George? Before they worked us out, he was the perfect fit. Now, we’re desperate to kill the one-twos & he’s just too slow on the spread… Ed from five years ago is what we’re missing in there. Mislabeled as a tagging role. Defend and spread.

Dow isn’t the answer.
Fogarty isn’t strong enough.
Carroll would be ideal, but he’s not a great defender. Yet.
Doc is already in there.

I’m not saying ‘drop George’. His defensive game is too important. But, we need to put some pressure on THEIR interior defenders. They’re getting away with murder.

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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2023 3:11 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
If Cottrell & Owies play well tomorrow they should come in. Kennedy into the 22 also

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Cottrel automatic in, we're not that bad.

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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2023 4:09 pm 
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Is Boyd an automatic in? I watched the second half of the 2s & wasn't convinced

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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2023 4:24 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
Is Boyd an automatic in? I watched the second half of the 2s & wasn't convinced

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A player that was taken from a second rate comp and only played a handful of games, shit no.
CK most of our seniors shouldn't be automatic inclusions, that is our problem


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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2023 4:27 pm 
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When you're in the 6th-12th range on the ladder it largely comes down to team selection. If you make mistakes here it can cost you the match. The match committee appear to make mistakes in my opinion.

When Carlton beat Geelong Rd 2 - I bet you didn't realise there were six team changes to the Brisbane match!! that's is about 1/3rd of the team.


Out: (they played vs Geelong)

Lachie Cowan - not a massive out.
De Koening - 11 possessions/22 hit outs.
Fisher - 19 possessions/1 goal
Kennedy - 26 possessions (yet only a sub vs Brisbane)
O'Brien - 3 possessions (only a sub)
Owies - 3 goals



In:

Cincotta - a good addition.... you need new blood to get the team going. Offers some steel.
Kemp - ok addition...not essential.
Honey - should not be in the team.
Kennedy (wrongly chosen as just a sub)
Walsh - an obvious improvement
Hewett - an obvious improvement

So when looking at who missed from the Geelong game - Owies is the biggest miss, followed by DeKoening (When in form). The selection of Honey vs Brisbane was a selection error. Kennedy should have started in the game/Kemp on the bench. But in general, the team was technically on paper better in the Brisbane game, but still lost, so something is up with the structure.

My guess is they have a set outline for the forward line, which means they don't pick on form, but on structure. The match committee believe they must have three small forwards no matter what their form is. Well I think it is time to maybe blow up that quota. The structure of the forward line should be worked on.



For example, why is Silvagni playing big chunks of the match at full-forward? I don't get it. Clear out the forward line...move all the half forwards & forward pockets out to the 40-50 metre line and just leave Big Harry and Curnow at full-forward owning real estate 0-35 metres out when the match is restarted after a goal. You get a quick centre clearance where you bomb it into those two for one on one battles and they are kicking at least 6-10 goals between them.


When the team for the Bulldogs match is chosen it has to be as a minimum if they are fair dinkum on form:

Out: Honey
In: Owies
Tha's for starters....and then hopefully blood some new enthusiasm. I like Carroll, but obviously the match committee don't.





On one final point - largely in relation to the euphoria over the Tasmanian team. I believe I am not the only one whose viewing habits over the years have changed. I have become more jaded. Before I was "I love football... and will gladly watch Collingwood play Geelong or Geelong vs Hawthorn if it is a big game!" Now, the truth is : "I only watch Carlton and if they are shite, I won't watch any of it." For example, I didn't even know who won Essendon* vs Collingwood until about 3 days later. I will avoid the media, conversations etc.

This all goes to the point of the AFL's hope of piggy backing off the money they get from big club supporters funding their latest love child "The Tasmanian Mountain Goats" becomes more troublesome. If people are being turned off the game, then where is the money going to come from? That they will have to work out, as I am sure there are others who are getting just as jaded as me.


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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2023 4:46 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
Is Boyd an automatic in? I watched the second half of the 2s & wasn't convinced

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Boyd is one of those players that steps up the better the standard. Gives us more run and is an elite kick. Once they feel he is ready fitness wise he must come in


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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2023 5:06 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
CK95 wrote:
Is Boyd an automatic in? I watched the second half of the 2s & wasn't convinced

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Boyd is one of those players that steps up the better the standard. Gives us more run and is an elite kick. Once they feel he is ready fitness wise he must come in



I think he’s been on our list long enough for us to have knocked that skill right off.


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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2023 5:12 pm 
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tap in 79 wrote:
When you're in the 6th-12th range on the ladder it largely comes down to team selection. If you make mistakes here it can cost you the match. The match committee appear to make mistakes in my opinion.

When Carlton beat Geelong Rd 2 - I bet you didn't realise there were six team changes to the Brisbane match!! that's is about 1/3rd of the team.


Out: (they played vs Geelong)

Lachie Cowan - not a massive out.
De Koening - 11 possessions/22 hit outs.
Fisher - 19 possessions/1 goal
Kennedy - 26 possessions (yet only a sub vs Brisbane)
O'Brien - 3 possessions (only a sub)
Owies - 3 goals



In:

Cincotta - a good addition.... you need new blood to get the team going. Offers some steel.
Kemp - ok addition...not essential.
Honey - should not be in the team.
Kennedy (wrongly chosen as just a sub)
Walsh - an obvious improvement
Hewett - an obvious improvement

So when looking at who missed from the Geelong game - Owies is the biggest miss, followed by DeKoening (When in form). The selection of Honey vs Brisbane was a selection error. Kennedy should have started in the game/Kemp on the bench. But in general, the team was technically on paper better in the Brisbane game, but still lost, so something is up with the structure.

My guess is they have a set outline for the forward line, which means they don't pick on form, but on structure. The match committee believe they must have three small forwards no matter what their form is. Well I think it is time to maybe blow up that quota. The structure of the forward line should be worked on.



For example, why is Silvagni playing big chunks of the match at full-forward? I don't get it. Clear out the forward line...move all the half forwards & forward pockets out to the 40-50 metre line and just leave Big Harry and Curnow at full-forward owning real estate 0-35 metres out when the match is restarted after a goal. You get a quick centre clearance where you bomb it into those two for one on one battles and they are kicking at least 6-10 goals between them.


When the team for the Bulldogs match is chosen it has to be as a minimum if they are fair dinkum on form:

Out: Honey
In: Owies
Tha's for starters....and then hopefully blood some new enthusiasm. I like Carroll, but obviously the match committee don't.





On one final point - largely in relation to the euphoria over the Tasmanian team. I believe I am not the only one whose viewing habits over the years have changed. I have become more jaded. Before I was "I love football... and will gladly watch Collingwood play Geelong or Geelong vs Hawthorn if it is a big game!" Now, the truth is : "I only watch Carlton and if they are shite, I won't watch any of it." For example, I didn't even know who won Essendon** vs Collingwood until about 3 days later. I will avoid the media, conversations etc.

This all goes to the point of the AFL's hope of piggy backing off the money they get from big club supporters funding their latest love child "The Tasmanian Mountain Goats" becomes more troublesome. If people are being turned off the game, then where is the money going to come from? That they will have to work out, as I am sure there are others who are getting just as jaded as me.


I logged in to respond to this fantastic post.

I hear you brother. The code has become tiresome, and losing is worse than boring. You got me thinking of your great post.

I’m really grumpy with the AFL Commission mainly because of their vandalism of the greatest game on earth with rule changes, interpretations, band aids. Then all this money for GC GWS and now Tassie when clubs around Australia are folding.

I grew up with VFL’s 12 teams, playing each other home & away, on Saturday’s and VFA on sundays which I loved going to because I played on Saturdays. I missed games to watch Carlton on Saturdays. There’s just too much other stuff, I think I’m going to join you.

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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2023 5:22 pm 
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Boyd came from Footscray.

Maybe that may help him with selection.

The peak of Boyd’s form last year was line breaking, one two and kick to a chest.
But that was last year.
He’s been out injured for a long time.
He’s done the rehab and I’m glad his kicking hasn’t suffered.

Since he’s returned through the reserves I. haven’t seen his line breaking form from yesteryear. I don’t want the 2 different periods to confuse me as the same form line.

But because he’s from Footscray…..

Who knows? I would think he would take Kemps spot. Who knows?
Newman shouldn’t be suspended.

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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2023 5:23 pm 
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Bondi, you are never going to quit footy, come on :lol:


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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2023 5:25 pm 
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Unashamedly I’m joining the girls watching the coronation with a few champagnes.

In Voss I trust

I don’t expect the disposal efficiency to a drop to yesterdays all time high again this year.
Games like this make us stronger. We find out more. We are still in the eight.

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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2023 5:29 pm 
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tap in 79 wrote:
For example, why is Silvagni playing big chunks of the match at full-forward? I don't get it.


He actually played significant time on the wing last night but his poor ball use is amplified up the ground.

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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2023 5:34 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:


On one final point - largely in relation to the euphoria over the Tasmanian team. I believe I am not the only one whose viewing habits over the years have changed. I have become more jaded. Before I was "I love football... and will gladly watch Collingwood play Geelong or Geelong vs Hawthorn if it is a big game!" Now, the truth is : "I only watch Carlton and if they are shite, I won't watch any of it." For example, I didn't even know who won Essendon*** vs Collingwood until about 3 days later. I will avoid the media, conversations etc.

This all goes to the point of the AFL's hope of piggy backing off the money they get from big club supporters funding their latest love child "The Tasmanian Mountain Goats" becomes more troublesome. If people are being turned off the game, then where is the money going to come from? That they will have to work out, as I am sure there are others who are getting just as jaded as me.


I logged in to respond to this fantastic post.

I hear you brother. The code has become tiresome, and losing is worse than boring. You got me thinking of your great post.

I’m really grumpy with the AFL Commission mainly because of their vandalism of the greatest game on earth with rule changes, interpretations, band aids. Then all this money for GC GWS and now Tassie when clubs around Australia are folding.

I grew up with VFL’s 12 teams, playing each other home & away, on Saturday’s and VFA on sundays which I loved going to because I played on Saturdays. I missed games to watch Carlton on Saturdays. There’s just too much other stuff, I think I’m going to join you.


Yeah, I get what you are saying. It seems like the change is change for changes sake. I only worked out today (as I looked up Carlton's VFL result) that there are 21 teams in the VFL!!

21 TEAMS. What in hell is going on there!!!
And a top 10!!!
And getting stats etc on the VFL the so-called 2nd tier is pretty difficult. What is their aim with the VFL? Are we supposed to care? or not? Is it a feeder comp for Gold Coast, GWS? Not sure what the plan is. The Jam did a song "The Planners' Dream Gone Wrong". It was on a different topic, but sometimes I don't have much faith in the planners.


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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2023 5:45 pm 
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tap in 79 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:


On one final point - largely in relation to the euphoria over the Tasmanian team. I believe I am not the only one whose viewing habits over the years have changed. I have become more jaded. Before I was "I love football... and will gladly watch Collingwood play Geelong or Geelong vs Hawthorn if it is a big game!" Now, the truth is : "I only watch Carlton and if they are shite, I won't watch any of it." For example, I didn't even know who won Essendon**** vs Collingwood until about 3 days later. I will avoid the media, conversations etc.

This all goes to the point of the AFL's hope of piggy backing off the money they get from big club supporters funding their latest love child "The Tasmanian Mountain Goats" becomes more troublesome. If people are being turned off the game, then where is the money going to come from? That they will have to work out, as I am sure there are others who are getting just as jaded as me.


I logged in to respond to this fantastic post.

I hear you brother. The code has become tiresome, and losing is worse than boring. You got me thinking of your great post.

I’m really grumpy with the AFL Commission mainly because of their vandalism of the greatest game on earth with rule changes, interpretations, band aids. Then all this money for GC GWS and now Tassie when clubs around Australia are folding.

I grew up with VFL’s 12 teams, playing each other home & away, on Saturday’s and VFA on sundays which I loved going to because I played on Saturdays. I missed games to watch Carlton on Saturdays. There’s just too much other stuff, I think I’m going to join you.


Yeah, I get what you are saying. It seems like the change is change for changes sake. I only worked out today (as I looked up Carlton's VFL result) that there are 21 teams in the VFL!!

21 TEAMS. What in hell is going on there!!!
And a top 10!!!
And getting stats etc on the VFL the so-called 2nd tier is pretty difficult. What is their aim with the VFL? Are we supposed to care? or not? Is it a feeder comp for Gold Coast, GWS? Not sure what the plan is. The Jam did a song "The Planners' Dream Gone Wrong". It was on a different topic, but sometimes I don't have much faith in the planners.



If you choose to care, can you make a difference.

If you can’t, ask yourself if there are better things to put your mind to outside of the Carlton drug of dependence?

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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2023 5:50 pm 
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Bondi, you are never going to quit footy, come on :lol:



Carlton: Drug of dependence.

15yo at Satan’s Academy. Rep teams. Local comp. Footy footy footy

I get plenty of footy. It’s the footy outside of Carlton I’m getting tired of.

I got in trouble in Adelaide for clapping fantastic passages of play from Crows in the first quarter. I love good footy. Just want it from my team and my sons. That god the other son dropped footy and studying architecture. I like architecture too.

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