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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 2:57 pm 
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I think we should give Palmer and Kerridge another week to prove themselves but they were our only 2 passengers for the game. Kerridge started to play better as the game went on. Kind of.

I would go unchanged but good to see Cunnington and Fisher play well in the VFL.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:42 pm 
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I think we should give Palmer and Kerridge another week to prove themselves but they were our only 2 passengers for the game. Kerridge started to play better as the game went on. Kind of.


8 Possessions, 4 clangers. As a team we had 110 tackles and he had 1.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 4:07 pm 
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A win was fantastic but we played with 18 solid contributors yesterday.
Kerridge had 8 possessions including 4 clangers. Struggled in the wet conditions and IMO, was a surprise selection after burning the ball in the VFL the week before.

Palmer had 12 possessions with 6 clangers. Hard at it but didn't do enough.

Pickett had 11 possessions and 5 clangers. He's only a kid and deserves another opportunity but surprisingly for a skilled player, he struggles with the wet ball.

Daisy had 16 possessions, 5 clangers and was the only player not to win a contested possession. In fact he's averaging 2 contested possessions per game this season. Compare that to Murphy who has 37 contested possessions in 3 games, Ed Curnow who has 37, Cripps who has 34 or Gibbs who has 43. If we're going to carry players who cant win their own ball, we want kids who can at least use it when it's given to them.

I'd bring in Curnow, Graham and Polson. Polson was zippy and persistent and Graham deserves promotion after consistent form in the VFL. Pickett deserves another opportunity and retains his place.

You do know they play in different positions. Right? You name 3 on ballers 1 a lock down in Curnow. Dailey plays off a wing/high forward. He plays wide of the contest mainly and provides outside movement. Yes his pressure acts are down a little but we need to look at the balance he provides. I think he should remain in.

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Blue Vain wrote:
A win was fantastic but we played with 18 solid contributors yesterday.
Kerridge had 8 possessions including 4 clangers. Struggled in the wet conditions and IMO, was a surprise selection after burning the ball in the VFL the week before.

Palmer had 12 possessions with 6 clangers. Hard at it but didn't do enough.

Pickett had 11 possessions and 5 clangers. He's only a kid and deserves another opportunity but surprisingly for a skilled player, he struggles with the wet ball.

Daisy had 16 possessions, 5 clangers and was the only player not to win a contested possession. In fact he's averaging 2 contested possessions per game this season. Compare that to Murphy who has 37 contested possessions in 3 games, Ed Curnow who has 37, Cripps who has 34 or Gibbs who has 43. If we're going to carry players who cant win their own ball, we want kids who can at least use it when it's given to them.

I'd bring in Curnow, Graham and Polson. Polson was zippy and persistent and Graham deserves promotion after consistent form in the VFL. Pickett deserves another opportunity and retains his place.

You do know they play in different positions. Right? You name 3 on ballers 1 a lock down in Curnow. Dailey plays off a wing/high forward. He plays wide of the contest mainly and provides outside movement. Yes his pressure acts are down a little but we need to look at the balance he provides. I think he should remain in.



Yes, funnily enough some of us do understand Thomas plays wing/ forward. But I also understand that if a player is going to play an outside role, he has to be a quality user. So if you read my post you'll note that I've mentioned the others to show that Thomas is playing an outside game compared to Murphy, Gibbs etc. I also mentioned that if we're carrying players who dont win their own ball, they have to be good users.
5 clangers from 13 kicks is rubbish. Outside movement is useless if it invariably ends up in the hands of the opposition.

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Blue Vain wrote:
baz_baz wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
A win was fantastic but we played with 18 solid contributors yesterday.
Kerridge had 8 possessions including 4 clangers. Struggled in the wet conditions and IMO, was a surprise selection after burning the ball in the VFL the week before.

Palmer had 12 possessions with 6 clangers. Hard at it but didn't do enough.

Pickett had 11 possessions and 5 clangers. He's only a kid and deserves another opportunity but surprisingly for a skilled player, he struggles with the wet ball.

Daisy had 16 possessions, 5 clangers and was the only player not to win a contested possession. In fact he's averaging 2 contested possessions per game this season. Compare that to Murphy who has 37 contested possessions in 3 games, Ed Curnow who has 37, Cripps who has 34 or Gibbs who has 43. If we're going to carry players who cant win their own ball, we want kids who can at least use it when it's given to them.

I'd bring in Curnow, Graham and Polson. Polson was zippy and persistent and Graham deserves promotion after consistent form in the VFL. Pickett deserves another opportunity and retains his place.

You do know they play in different positions. Right? You name 3 on ballers 1 a lock down in Curnow. Dailey plays off a wing/high forward. He plays wide of the contest mainly and provides outside movement. Yes his pressure acts are down a little but we need to look at the balance he provides. I think he should remain in.



Yes, funnily enough some of us do understand Thomas plays wing/ forward. But I also understand that if a player is going to play an outside role, he has to be a quality user. So if you read my post you'll note that I've mentioned the others to show that Thomas is playing an outside game compared to Murphy, Gibbs etc. I also mentioned that if we're carrying players who dont win their own ball, they have to be good users.
5 clangers from 13 kicks is rubbish. Outside movement is useless if it invariably ends up in the hands of the opposition.


Thomas averages 67% disposal efficiency. That's nearly 3 effective out of every 4. 2 out of every 4 yesterday. Leave him in

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 4:59 pm 
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baz_baz wrote:
Thomas averages 67% disposal efficiency. That's nearly 3 effective out of every 4. 2 out of every 4 yesterday. Leave him in


We should be satisfied with 2 out of every 4 possessions being effective should we? :lol:
From a bloke who averages 2 tackles per game and relies on others to give the ball to him?
You're obviously taking the piss.
Give Polson or Fisher a game.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:03 pm 
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You do know what averages means? Down this week up the next. Palmer out. Polson in

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:58 pm 
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baz_baz wrote:
Thomas averages 67% disposal efficiency. That's nearly 3 effective out of every 4.


:?


It's 2 effective out of every 3


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:17 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
baz_baz wrote:
Thomas averages 67% disposal efficiency. That's nearly 3 effective out of every 4.


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It's 2 effective out of every 3


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3/4 sounds heaps better than 2/3. :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:21 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
I doubt it will happen, but I would like to see-
In: Cunningham, Graham, Smedts
Out: Kerridge, Palmer, Thomas

If Weitering needs a week off (concussion) then I would pick Jaksch to replace him, ahead of Charlie & Harry.


Why? KJ hasn't been listed in our best for the last two weeks. So what has he done to deserve the call up? Stick with Charlie for now.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:42 pm 
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Crippa wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
I doubt it will happen, but I would like to see-
In: Cunningham, Graham, Smedts
Out: Kerridge, Palmer, Thomas

If Weitering needs a week off (concussion) then I would pick Jaksch to replace him, ahead of Charlie & Harry.


Why? KJ hasn't been listed in our best for the last two weeks. So what has he done to deserve the call up? Stick with Charlie for now.

What did you think of Charlie's form in the first 2 games? KJ may not have been named in the best players but he hasn't done a lot wrong from what I've seen. I think he's got to be given another opportunity soon.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:47 pm 
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Crippa wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
I doubt it will happen, but I would like to see-
In: Cunningham, Graham, Smedts
Out: Kerridge, Palmer, Thomas

If Weitering needs a week off (concussion) then I would pick Jaksch to replace him, ahead of Charlie & Harry.


Why? KJ hasn't been listed in our best for the last two weeks. So what has he done to deserve the call up? Stick with Charlie for now.


I suspect they get the canteen lady to pick the best players list.
KJ was easily our best tall forward against Werribee.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:10 pm 
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Crippa wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
I doubt it will happen, but I would like to see-
In: Cunningham, Graham, Smedts
Out: Kerridge, Palmer, Thomas

If Weitering needs a week off (concussion) then I would pick Jaksch to replace him, ahead of Charlie & Harry.


Why? KJ hasn't been listed in our best for the last two weeks. So what has he done to deserve the call up? Stick with Charlie for now.


And what has Charlie done to deserve senior selection?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:15 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Crippa wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
I doubt it will happen, but I would like to see-
In: Cunningham, Graham, Smedts
Out: Kerridge, Palmer, Thomas

If Weitering needs a week off (concussion) then I would pick Jaksch to replace him, ahead of Charlie & Harry.


Why? KJ hasn't been listed in our best for the last two weeks. So what has he done to deserve the call up? Stick with Charlie for now.


I suspect they get the canteen lady to pick the best players list.
KJ was easily our best tall forward against Werribee.


Said it before and will say it again...as pissed off as I am about KJ not getting a game, I suspect he knows that he is being groomed to be one of our key forwards going forward. Maybe I'm just hoping but I think it's all part of a bigger plan to have him come in to the side,remain in the side and be one of our revelations in the second half of 2017

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:21 pm 
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Don't think Weitering will be rested. I get the feeling Bolton wants him to endure.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:24 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Crippa wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
I doubt it will happen, but I would like to see-
In: Cunningham, Graham, Smedts
Out: Kerridge, Palmer, Thomas

If Weitering needs a week off (concussion) then I would pick Jaksch to replace him, ahead of Charlie & Harry.


Why? KJ hasn't been listed in our best for the last two weeks. So what has he done to deserve the call up? Stick with Charlie for now.


I suspect they get the canteen lady to pick the best players list.
KJ was easily our best tall forward against Werribee.


Said it before and will say it again...as pissed off as I am about KJ not getting a game, I suspect he knows that he is being groomed to be one of our key forwards going forward. Maybe I'm just hoping but I think it's all part of a bigger plan to have him come in to the side,remain in the side and be one of our revelations in the second half of 2017


KJ won't be at Carlton next year. He isn't being groomed for anything. From what I understand, no ticker amongst other things, which he is why he won't be there in 2018.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 11:22 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
A win was fantastic but we played with 18 solid contributors yesterday.
Kerridge had 8 possessions including 4 clangers. Struggled in the wet conditions and IMO, was a surprise selection after burning the ball in the VFL the week before.

Palmer had 12 possessions with 6 clangers. Hard at it but didn't do enough.

Pickett had 11 possessions and 5 clangers. He's only a kid and deserves another opportunity but surprisingly for a skilled player, he struggles with the wet ball.

Daisy had 16 possessions, 5 clangers and was the only player not to win a contested possession. In fact he's averaging 2 contested possessions per game this season. Compare that to Murphy who has 37 contested possessions in 3 games, Ed Curnow who has 37, Cripps who has 34 or Gibbs who has 43. If we're going to carry players who cant win their own ball, we want kids who can at least use it when it's given to them.

I'd bring in Curnow, Graham and Polson. Polson was zippy and persistent and Graham deserves promotion after consistent form in the VFL. Pickett deserves another opportunity and retains his place.


Did you notice the rain yesterday?


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baz_baz wrote:
CK95 wrote:
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Thomas averages 67% disposal efficiency. That's nearly 3 effective out of every 4.


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It's 2 effective out of every 3


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3/4 sounds heaps better than 2/3. :lol:



Don't be sad, cos 3/4 ain't bad... :grin:

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:33 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Crippa wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
I doubt it will happen, but I would like to see-
In: Cunningham, Graham, Smedts
Out: Kerridge, Palmer, Thomas

If Weitering needs a week off (concussion) then I would pick Jaksch to replace him, ahead of Charlie & Harry.


Why? KJ hasn't been listed in our best for the last two weeks. So what has he done to deserve the call up? Stick with Charlie for now.


I suspect they get the canteen lady to pick the best players list.
KJ was easily our best tall forward against Werribee.


Ok thanks. It was an honest question. I haven't seen either game. :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 8:43 am 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
A win was fantastic but we played with 18 solid contributors yesterday.
Kerridge had 8 possessions including 4 clangers. Struggled in the wet conditions and IMO, was a surprise selection after burning the ball in the VFL the week before.

Palmer had 12 possessions with 6 clangers. Hard at it but didn't do enough.

Pickett had 11 possessions and 5 clangers. He's only a kid and deserves another opportunity but surprisingly for a skilled player, he struggles with the wet ball.

Daisy had 16 possessions, 5 clangers and was the only player not to win a contested possession. In fact he's averaging 2 contested possessions per game this season. Compare that to Murphy who has 37 contested possessions in 3 games, Ed Curnow who has 37, Cripps who has 34 or Gibbs who has 43. If we're going to carry players who cant win their own ball, we want kids who can at least use it when it's given to them.

I'd bring in Curnow, Graham and Polson. Polson was zippy and persistent and Graham deserves promotion after consistent form in the VFL. Pickett deserves another opportunity and retains his place.


Did you notice the rain yesterday?


Well picked up MJ! Your perception is improving. You're obviously smarter than most give you credit for.
I did notice the rain. But I also know footy is a winter sport. I also know only one venue in Australia has a roof on it so there's every opportunity we may see rain again.

Personally I believe we cant afford to carry players who can only make a meaningful contribution when the sun shines. They were poor in all 3 phases of the game. When we had the ball, they fumbled or gave it back to the opposition, when the ball was in dispute, they couldn't win the contest and when the opposition had the ball, they couldn't get it back off them.
So yes, Thomas, Kerridge and Palmer will be good depth players but when we have young blokes performing in the VFL, we should see if they can be better contributors. I dont think I'm asking for anything revolutionary.

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