Graham

Agree Psych, there will be short term pain, but finally it looks like we are heading in the right direction. I'm beginning to think I might live long enough to see our next flag! Cripps to lift the cup?

Malcolm

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Graham Cripps Casboult Gibbs Murphy Simpson Buckley Docherty Tuohy Walker Jamison Jaksch Whiley Holman Byrne Sheehan White Rowe is a very good core group for the rebuild.

Add Weitering Francis Curnow Lovell McKay Aish Carlisle Rice Silvagni plus a good new coach, improved culture and coaching structure and I believe that is as good a base that the Bulldogs or St Kilda started their rebuilds with.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

AGRO I've been meaning to tell you this for a while: you have something in your eye.

You're comparing two entirely different recruitment processes with each other.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Casboult to me is in the same group as White, Rowe,Walker and Jamison. They will fill a void while we build a new team/list.
When we are good they wont be involved.

We are St Kilda of 2 years ago. We're playing an old list and getting smashed by younger, less experienced sides. We play on average this season the 6th oldest team. That usually gives you a top 8 spot - The fact that we're last tells me that it's not our youth that's giving us trouble, it's the experience.

Simpson, although he battles hard, isn't Sam Mitchell. Carrazzo is still reeling from not winning the NRS award and must go at season's end.

Walker is ineffectual, Jamieson is worth next to nothing, Murph is a trier but is about a B grade player when 'on'.

Then we have Warnock, Rowe, Wood and White. Those players amount to pretty much 100 bucks worth.

We have to clean out the top of the list - bring our average age down from 25 and 3 to 24 years.

6-7 of those players need to go to make way for younger talent.

We have to do this now or we're just delaying the inevitable. Even if we can get the ave age down to 24, we've still got another 5 years to build it up to 27, factoring in retirements, when you're window is open - providing you have the talent.

North have tried the shortcut method but will fall well short - again. It's a grass-roots re-build we need and it must start now.

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Yes he looks like a good type, could really be a big player in our midfield.

We have missed him since he has been out.

Good kick for goal on the run good decision maker could be a future leader.

If it was up to me Gibbs would be sitting with Hendo wondering where he is going next year.

Thats rubbish he has been really good, he is a leader of the club.

He leads by example and deserves respect.

We are stuck with him, ideally i wish we didnt have him but we will have to wait out his contract before we can get rid of him.

That would be silly. GIBBS is talent - he may not be a hard man, but talent he has. Get rid of him and go back another 2 years and a lucky dip in the draft for an equally talented footballer - then take 4 years for him to mature.

Keep GIBBS unless a trade like Dangerfield is offered.

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Talent and no heart, no passion, no grit, no mongrel.

Give me a lucky dip any day of the week.

If Gibbs wants to be a leader than he needs to watch Ward attack the ball for GWS and learn from him.

Otherwise he a guy that does not chase stays on the outside and really sets a bad example for the kids.

Get rid of him and never look back.

He might stay with all the other players that are set to go but for mine i'd keep Yarran and cut Gibbs loose.

Yes I am.

A good one and a shit one.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

And when it comes to things in eyes.

Your fantastic at picking out the splinters in everyone's eyes.

But you fail to recognise the Huon Valley Pine logs in yours.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

If you look at all the rising stars (inc those not nominated), Graham is only below Cripps, Hogan and Saad for impact.

..pretty much.... ..some, like Gibbs, are already locked in to such an extent, that they're in for the long haul too.. .. ..ditto Murphy, but I think his last few injury riddled seasons have made some people on here devalue his top end ability..

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

....most of us agree that he could play with a bit more hustle, but his cruising level is still pretty good.. ....I think he could play harder, we just need to figure out how we can get him to sustain it for the rest of his career.. ....high half forward, rotate through the middle.. ..rest him as a marking deep forward..

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

With some new talent and a new coach that will hopefully play a more offensive type game plan I hope Gibbs will return to his form of 2014. With a deeper midfield Gibbs and Murphy could be very good players.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

That is what is so frustrating he has all the talent but lacks effort.

Not everyone is expected to be a hard man but effort should be non negotiable.

I honestly don't think he will ever deliver and will be overpaid and a "good"player at best. We really stuffed up signing him for so long.

We should have flicked him when he had currency. For mine, he is a pretender and I hope he gets traded but on his contract it is unlikely.