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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 11:35 am 
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They're not collapsing on the field at the end of a match.

Anaerobic performance is an issue, in so far as we're not super human and can't chase all our turn overs. It starts with a little nervousness, and then it turns into full blown tired kicks.


God, give me strength.

For the benefit of those casually reading the forum, would you like to expand on your point?

I'm going to knock off for the night, so whatever discouragement you feel you have from posting with impunity goes with me, I guess. :lol:


You talk shit jimmae.

apart from that I'm sure a hellava nice guy.

Here's an exercise for you (literally):

Go outside and jog for 500-1000m.

Take a break for 2 hours to make sure you're recovered, and then try and do 70 m repeat sprints for the same distance, with 5-15 seconds breaks. Then come back here and tell me I'm full of shit.

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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 12:14 pm 
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Here's an excersice for everyone..

Picture a time when you were playing football for a pretty decent team(if you have been a part of one). Now try and remember how easy it was to beat the really bad teams in your competition. You know the type of team I'm talking about..real scrubbers!

Now try to imagine what that scrubber team would have been like to play against if every one of their players had been given steroids. What would they play like?

I would think they would play similar to a side like collingwood, no? 3 or four players attacking the ball carrier ferociously at every opportunity, putting the normally pretty decent players under intense pressure, causing turnover after turnover. Using insane running capabilities to run and spread leaving their normally pretty decent opponents lagging behind.

Now try and remember what the afls reaction was to Essendon*'s doping program and how many millions of dollars were spent trying to protect their image.

now who was it that spoke out about the bomber's which forced the afl to spend these millions of dollars..


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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 12:44 pm 
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Our fitness turned to poo once this guy came on board. Fact........


Is there anything MM has brought to the club has been a success?


Is there anything MM has brought to the club that he hasn't recycled??


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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 2:40 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
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They're not collapsing on the field at the end of a match.

Anaerobic performance is an issue, in so far as we're not super human and can't chase all our turn overs. It starts with a little nervousness, and then it turns into full blown tired kicks.


God, give me strength.


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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 12:59 pm 
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Well the on field performances have been worse since Mick and now Buttifant. Mitigating circumstances maybe, but a fact is a fact.


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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 1:02 pm 
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Menzel another player who had to be taken off the field yesterday with hamstring tightness.


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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 2:50 pm 
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our players are to slow nothing to do with butters training i think.carrazo ellard curnow ,all our loses have 1 thing in common the opp are quicker than us,


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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 3:00 pm 
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I think our fitness training should be tied closer to our execution of skills; less tired kicks forward of centre please.

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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 7:42 pm 
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 9:12 pm 
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trublu wrote:
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We had 6 staff under Buttifant last year. 2 left and haven't been replaced.



The club is under going severe cost cutting across all levels. Plenty of Admin staff and football staff have lost their positions. The club has some serious cash issues. It's inly going go to get worse.


No.

There is cutting of waste.

Lots of jobs were created over the past 7 years simply for the sake of "having numbers" similar to others. There wasn't a sensible review of structures or needs, people were simply appointed to roles.

There is now a logical and methodical review being undertaken and where needed people are being released.

That's very different to cutting in order to save cost.

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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 9:32 pm 
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Ockham's Razor wrote:
trublu wrote:
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We had 6 staff under Buttifant last year. 2 left and haven't been replaced.



The club is under going severe cost cutting across all levels. Plenty of Admin staff and football staff have lost their positions. The club has some serious cash issues. It's inly going go to get worse.


No.

There is cutting of waste.

Lots of jobs were created over the past 7 years simply for the sake of "having numbers" similar to others. There wasn't a sensible review of structures or needs, people were simply appointed to roles.

There is now a logical and methodical review being undertaken and where needed people are being released.

That's very different to cutting in order to save cost.

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Does the review include the persons competence?

More importantly does it include a review of the competence of the members of the Board.

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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2015 10:53 am 
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choo wrote:
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We had 6 staff under Buttifant last year. 2 left and haven't been replaced.



The club is under going severe cost cutting across all levels. Plenty of Admin staff and football staff have lost their positions. The club has some serious cash issues. It's inly going go to get worse.


Cost cutting?
I can think of $500,000 they can save next year


Couldn't agree more was just about to post the same thing when I saw this :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2015 6:22 pm 
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Here's a short clip from a 2SER interview with Buttifant in regards to the benefits of heat and altitude training in elite sport, particularly in the context of AFL football. This was from March this year:

http://www.2ser.com/on-air/streaming/it ... erformance

Clearly Buttifant is not all about the altitude training, and recognises the merits of both approaches in terms of conditioning the body to perform under stress. Perhaps the club are about to reappropriate some of the salaries from the sacked staff into better equipment and more tailored personnel to assist Buttifant and other departments? Who knows, we might be set to move up a few cogs in this area.

We already have an altitude room, perhaps this will be (or has been) additionally refitted into a 'hot box'. He also clearly acknowledges that regular training with this equipment is required to try and maintain the conditioning effects of each method, otherwise both methods' effects then to fade after 4-6 weeks, but that there are fitness gains during that process that are cemented - at an accelerated rate - relative to standard training conditions.

If you'd like to listen to the full radio show, with the complete Buttifant segment, you can catch that here:

http://www.2ser.com/on-air/streaming/it ... march-2015

The full episode also features Aaron Coutts, a professor at UTS in Sydney and also our Director of Sport Science Research, discussing the same training methods.

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 6:11 pm 
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Another game we couldn't run with our opponent.


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We're building towards a peak in September.


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 6:14 pm 
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players are poorly prepared


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 6:20 pm 
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And yet we could lift in the last quarter, only to spray kicks through panic, rather than tiredness.

Walker, Jaksch, Jones and Whiley aren't fit, neither are the kids, but I don't think our problem is physical from the perspective of the senior core.

That said, if he was involved in the decision to sub Buckley ahead of Whiley (he seemed to be tracking performance data on the bench), he should be walked out of the club.

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 7:41 pm 
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It was a poor sub.

Thomas admitted he couldn't run the game out. Why would you not start him as the sub after a long lay off?


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 7:54 pm 
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We're short handed right now with all the list turn over; he was always going to play the match out.

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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 9:55 am 
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Rexy wrote:
players are poorly prepared


That what it looks like to me.

They cant run out games.

Is getting id of Buuttifant part of the rebuild?

Im just guessing but it seems to me he is not adding value to this team.

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