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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:47 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
LThen it's down to one of Giles, Graham, Carrazzo and Judd to make way for us to have our minimum three picks


White?


The Madhouse loves White!

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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He can't love them all this year!

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:47 pm 
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I can see Armfield getting a one year deal, but agree on the rest. Walker should be safe, and Carrots will probably hang up the boots unless he's certain he can help us push deep into the finals in 2016.

Giles is a chance to be discarded as well. In terms of the rookies it's going to be tough if there's still a 2-year minimum for interstate rookies though I suspect this has been changed. If so, Walsh is an early candidate to be discarded, while you can see Sheehan and Wood being good chances for elevation.

I think Byrne, Gowers and Fields will be retained.



..Giles..?.. ..hasnt he recovered from the broken foot..?..

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 Post subject: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:02 pm 
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Giles could end up rookied I suppose.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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I'm not sure the difference between carlton and geelong's list composition is a result of a difference in recruiting philosophy, rather a difference in recruiting excellence. But anyway...

this list needs more than three live picks in the draft


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:25 pm 
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I'm not sure the difference between carlton and geelong's list composition is a result of a difference in recruiting philosophy, rather a difference in recruiting excellence. But anyway...

this list needs more than three live picks in the draft

The scenario where we only use 3 picks involves Watson succeeding, Giles succeeding and others not retiring because we're successful. It's unlikely, but if it happens we won't use as many picks because we'll have reasons for confidence in the list.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:31 pm 
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Interesting thoughts on Warnock and Wood.


Yes Warnock can tap. After that zilch.


Wood can contest in the tapout. He is mobile. He can kick goals. Best of all, he TRIES.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:37 pm 
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Teddy Hopkins wrote:
Interesting thoughts on Warnock and Wood.


Yes Warnock can tap. After that zilch.


Wood can contest in the tapout. He is mobile. He can kick goals. Best of all, he TRIES.


Plus the bonus of marking of Wood. Surprisingly for 204cms he doesn't come across as a great tap ruckman but agree with his attitude out there and effort. A full pre-season should assist him further than his output last year.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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They will keep White on (barring an absolute shocker)

Walker is a smokey ... if we miss finals then I wouldn't be surprised if he wants a trade / retires.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 9:52 am 
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Teddy Hopkins wrote:
Interesting thoughts on Warnock and Wood.


Yes Warnock can tap. After that zilch.


Wood can contest in the tapout. He is mobile. He can kick goals. Best of all, he TRIES.


Summed up "The Tree" perfectly

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 1:43 pm 
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Wathced Adam Trelaor yesterday This bloke is a gun. I would be throwing him te cheque book to try and get him. Word is we are into him.

Wold gladly offer this kid $800k per year. Is a ready replacement for Judd and the kid has 10+ years left in him.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 1:51 pm 
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Out:
Warnock, Carrazzo (ret.), Ellard, Holman, Johnson (r), Wood (r)

Likely to go:
Armfield, Giles, Walsh (r)

Outside chance:
Watson, Dick

To be elevated:
Byrne, Sheehan

To come in:
Rice (2nd round), Silvagni (2nd-3rd round), Bradley (last pick/rookie)

That's 5 spots on the senior list up for grabs, and 4 on the rookie list, with at least 2 senior spots allocated (though not picks necessarily with the incoming system) to F/S picks.

Personally I think all of the mooted names will go except Watson and, if we're super lucky, Giles. Let's assume just Watson, which will give us the following structural needs:

2 ruckman (one senior capable for 2016, one to develop)
1 KPP that can pinch hit in the ruck to develop (speed a must)
6 midfielder/flanker types with the usual emphasis on speed, foot skills and game sense, perhaps targeting a goal scoring small forward or half forward


I think if we have an available 3rd round selection we will use it to pick up a guy playing senior football who is an athletic ruckman that can develop, likely in the 22-24 y.o. bracket. If we can't find one, we'd probably be best suited to redrafting Wood or securing another discarded ruck in the rookie draft rather than outright trading for one (unless a great value deal comes up).

Additionally, we need to secure a guy for the future, someone in the 18-21 bracket. There's plenty of names and that could be at any number of our available selections, but the emphasis must be on finding someone who can lead the ruck division for 6-8 years with quality tap work and a good work rate around the ground to support the midfield.

The rest is rather straight forward: we need smalls, and we need players who could develop into hard running mids. They need to be able to earn a decent amount of unconstested football to open up the congestion our current team seems to create, preferably through foot speed/agility and sharp kicks over 25-40 m. I don't care if they're 175 cms or if they're 196 cms, if they can run <2.85s over 20 m with good early splits and dispose well under game pressure then they're in the mix.

If we net a half forward/forward pocket amongst that, and a KPP that shows natural body work in their ruck rotations, then that's pretty good. Athletic tall with clean kick is a must; smalls with elite or near too elite kicks with elite or near to elite running power is a must.

Rice, Silvagni and Bradley will help with that, but it's an important time coming up for us and we need to put a broom through slow, small types and rucks that 'do a job'.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 1:53 pm 
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Wathced Adam Trelaor yesterday This bloke is a gun. I would be throwing him te cheque book to try and get him. Word is we are into him.

Wold gladly offer this kid $800k per year. Is a ready replacement for Judd and the kid has 10+ years left in him.


Would be great if we could snag him, I'd prefer him over Shiel.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 2:01 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Out:
Warnock, Carrazzo (ret.), Ellard, Holman, Johnson (r), Wood (r)

Likely to go:
Armfield, Giles, Walsh (r)

Outside chance:
Watson, Dick

To be elevated:
Byrne, Sheehan

To come in:
Rice (2nd round), Silvagni (2nd-3rd round), Bradley (last pick/rookie)

That's 5 spots on the senior list up for grabs, and 4 on the rookie list, with at least 2 senior spots allocated (though not picks necessarily with the incoming system) to F/S picks.

Personally I think all of the mooted names will go except Watson and, if we're super lucky, Giles. Let's assume just Watson, which will give us the following structural needs:

2 ruckman (one senior capable for 2016, one to develop)
1 KPP that can pinch hit in the ruck to develop (speed a must)
6 midfielder/flanker types with the usual emphasis on speed, foot skills and game sense, perhaps targeting a goal scoring small forward or half forward


I think if we have an available 3rd round selection we will use it to pick up a guy playing senior football who is an athletic ruckman that can develop, likely in the 22-24 y.o. bracket. If we can't find one, we'd probably be best suited to redrafting Wood or securing another discarded ruck in the rookie draft rather than outright trading for one (unless a great value deal comes up).

Additionally, we need to secure a guy for the future, someone in the 18-21 bracket. There's plenty of names and that could be at any number of our available selections, but the emphasis must be on finding someone who can lead the ruck division for 6-8 years with quality tap work and a good work rate around the ground to support the midfield.

The rest is rather straight forward: we need smalls, and we need players who could develop into hard running mids. They need to be able to earn a decent amount of unconstested football to open up the congestion our current team seems to create, preferably through foot speed/agility and sharp kicks over 25-40 m. I don't care if they're 175 cms or if they're 196 cms, if they can run <2.85s over 20 m with good early splits and dispose well under game pressure then they're in the mix.

If we net a half forward/forward pocket amongst that, and a KPP that shows natural body work in their ruck rotations, then that's pretty good. Athletic tall with clean kick is a must; smalls with elite or near too elite kicks with elite or near to elite running power is a must.

Rice, Silvagni and Bradley will help with that, but it's an important time coming up for us and we need to put a broom through slow, small types and rucks that 'do a job'.



Nice work Jim.

However.. .if we took all 3 father-sons (Rice 2nd rounder) id spew.
From what i've seen of all 3, would be lucky to take any.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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From what I've heard, we'll do alright out of it.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 2:08 pm 
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Can't see us getting all 3 F/s. Will be lucky to get one of them, with Silvagni being the better option


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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What... Rice is suddenly chopped liver? :lol:

Bradley might surprise a few, and I think we'll get him as a rookie.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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Rabbit wrote:
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Wathced Adam Trelaor yesterday This bloke is a gun. I would be throwing him te cheque book to try and get him. Word is we are into him.

Wold gladly offer this kid $800k per year. Is a ready replacement for Judd and the kid has 10+ years left in him.


Would be great if we could snag him, I'd prefer him over Shiel.


What with? We need to get out of this 'hero of the year' mentality.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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What have we got to trade for this AFL ready ruckman?

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