Finished up with Carlton Doc?
Don't forget our bet!

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You just don't get it do you SB?

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Richmond have just won six in a row.

Richmond FFS.

I doubt anyone would generally consider them as a consistently good team.

Try getting this Carlton team to win 4 in a row more than once in a blue moon - let alone six in a row. Good luck.

If Mick can do that I will applaud him.

Whats there to get we have gone backwards currently 13th on ladder and 7 wins from 19 games

I think I get it .
It the people who think we are getting better that don't

Put any spin on it you like this is the worst season since 2007

How is that improving
Sport is based on results wins and losses.

We are not improving

Do your best Dane ti explain it
But since you can only string 4-5 words together I doubt you will have much success

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I think one of the basic issues is that we seem to be flat lining. When mick took over the pies, there was only one way....up. They had bottomed out.
We on the other hand were fringe eight when he took over. Two years later we are still fringe eight( despite what our current ladder position says) so there is no instant gratification, no trend upwards to point to. But i am taking encouragement from the way we are playing. There is some steeliness emerging that has been missing for a long time . It needs to continue to improve, but it is heading in the right direction. There are some key players in that regard. Players that never give up, never say die. They arent all the most talented, but they are our culture. They are pieces in the jig saw , that others can slot in around. When you think about it, we have been without quite a few of them for significant parts of this year.

Judd
Thomas
Murphy
Gibbs
Simpson
Kreuzer
Rowe
Buckley
Curnow

Ratten = Statistician
Malthouse = Footy Philosopher

When Ratten spoke I turned off the radio/TV.

When Mick speaks I get some popcorn and enjoy the ride.

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There is no point trying to talk you out of your negativity bubble.
I'm not worried about this season. It's about building for the future and as outlined numerous times on this forum we are taking steps forward. I don't see any point rewriting what others have already written.
Even CJ came out and said it is the best he has felt about the Club in 7 years.
Just give up on us. It will make your life that much easier.

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We have been building for the future for a long long time now
We were heading in the right direction and turned back
Every club is building for the future .Im sure if you spkoe to any other supporter they would say the same
Tigers supporters are saying hand over tge 2015 cup now its there's already
Football is about the here and now not what is happening down the track
You have to put yourself into the best position to win as many games as possible then give yourself a crack at it.
Supporters are fooled by this building for the future crap.
We are not a GwS or GC we haven't been given a bunch of kids
Malthouse was handed a list of players including 10 top 10 draft picks all approaching their age where they peak

He took us backwards

If you cant understand that its not my problem

Football is about results we ain't getting them

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Don't think it's particularly out of the question to suggest that we have a high amount of players playing very good football; career best in some cases, in spite of the win/loss tally, and even moreso in spite of terrible recruiting/list management, as well as plenty of those playing career best football only as they've chronically underachieved for the better part of the last five years.

It's a pity, but also very Carlton in the scheme of things.

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That's rubbish Syd. If Ratten was so good and we were heading to such a great spot under his leadership, why hasn't he landed a multi-million dollar deal at any of the other 17 clubs?

He's not a senior coach, that's why. We promoted him to a position far above his ability.

The End.

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Lets have a look at these top 10 draft picks?

Gibbs (improved this year)
Murphy (improved this year)
Yarran (improved this year)
Henderson (getting used to new role, improving)
Thomas (played injured most of year, coming good though)
Judd (injured most of year)
Kreuzer (injured all year)
Cripps (injured/developing/looks good)
Walker (played injured all year)
Lucas (wouldn't have made it under any coach)

Pretty fair scope for improvement next year I'd say?
Judd covered our deficiencies better in previous years.

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If we are still comparing Mick to Ratts then we are in trouble. There should be no comparison, Ratts was totally inexperienced and would never have got the job if it was any other club, or if he had played for any other club. Mick was brought in (or is that bought in) on a huge contract with much added expense in sacking various contracted coaches and assistants and bringing in all his Collingwood mates.

The only reason people bring up comparisons is because Mick's results have been poor. The team is heading for it's worst season since 2007 when we were truly awful, and the expected windfall in new memberships has gone backwards. Having said that with a reasonable run of injury we should be about 8th next year , comparable to North, WCE Adelaide Richmond (and lets not imagine that is some remarkable result).

Many of our best players are close to or over 30 and might maintain form for a year or two or three but won't get better. Gibbs and Murphy are at their best, Yarran getting towards it. We have a number of promising youngsters, but most clubs have more promise and potential in their youth than us. Our woeful drafting particularly those picks between 8 and 50 over the last ten years (throw in a couple of terrible trade decisions - way too much for McLean and recruiting Warnock when we already had a bevy of developing rucks) and the premiership looks a long way away. I expect us to improve to about 8th next year and then to go backwards for some years. We need a serious long term strategy. WIll MLG break the mold and pursue that, or will we be satisfied with striving for the lower ends of the 8 for a couple of years.

Carlton...TC...Football...the AFL...Australia on the whole...

Fair enough! Bon voyage!

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Made a blue appointing Ratten and then put very little thought into the next appointment - as usual.

Wasted resources recruiting Thomas - the compensation pick from Betts and the salary cap space. Very poor management...not using the resources available to give the club the best outcome. Front load some contracts and use the cap space on someone who can provide long term benefit. We are told the list is poor; that there are not a lot of promising youngsters coming through relative to other clubs yet MM blew the chance to bring in some young talent.

The club/coaches keep changing their minds about whether we need to rebuild or whether we're ready to strike - you wonder what position they will have by the end of the season.

We have been told by RickJ that Waite has a chronic back problem - it will be very interesting to see the approach the club takes with his contract.

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I think it's too early to call Thomas a waste.

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You would think he will improve next year but looking at what could have been done with the pick/cap space you'd have to say its not the best use of resources. Could have recruited someone who would be at the club for 10+ years - lots of gun players recruited in the 20s, or spent the cap space on luring a young key forward (probably a touch more important given the flakiness of Waite, the poor output from Casboult and the failure to recruit a key forward with a top 15 pick since Kennedy in 2005.)

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I agree, but his first season has been just average and his recruitment is about getting serious success over the next couple of years, which is unlikely. I guess the issues are recruiting a guy who is returing from a very serious long term injury and not really knowing to what extent that will restrict him long term; massive salary commitment; get no draft pick as compo for losing Eddie Betts; and maybe some of DT's salary could have gone to retaining Eddie. Losing him has hurt us a lot I think, not just for his own contribution but also for him making Jeff G a better player, instead of someone who is in the 2s and may be given the flick.

If Thomas gets back to his absolute best and we win a flag, it will look like a good trade but the chances of the former are iffy and the latter very unlikely. Wait and see, but he would need to be top 3 in the b and f next year otherwise the deal is looking sick.

I agree with you both.

I hope he has been bringing a lot behind the scenes this year.

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The only player listed there that has got better under this coach is Gibbs
Yarran hasnt and Murph was AA and Voted the best player in the comp 2 years ago

So if your top shelf is going backwards
Whats happening to the rest
Might explain why we are 13th and not a kick away from a prelim

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