R14: GWS vs Carlton (Post-match discussion)

blueboys101 · **Joined:** Sat Apr 09, 2005 5:29 pm **Posts:** 327

3 have already been culled, another 7 or 8 is pretty big for a year and that's about 50% from last year.

a few retirements hopefully and trade aggressively, and hope and pray we draft right

Synbad · **Posted:** Sun Jun 22, 2014 5:58 pm

Sydney Blue wrote:

Start with the coaches box

Will be changes ... but it wont be MM till next year... though at this stage he will probably get 2 years some point next year... take that to the bank.
basically everything we see now was his forecast to the board last year and this year.....

But the coaches around him will get a massive shakeup end of the year.
As will recruitment and development areas...

35 tackles.. half of those by a half a dozen guys

cimm1979 · **Posted:** Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:03 pm

No Murphy no Carlton.

Daisy's tackling was shizen today. Cost two goals at least.

Synbad · **Posted:** Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:08 pm

yeah but he still had more tackles than 80% of the team

murphy is hardly a tackle sticker......never has been....

Pafloyul · **Joined:** Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:15 pm **Posts:** 4842

Synbad wrote:

we have bugger all making up any kind of backbone from our last x amount of drafts.
there is nothing coming through... playing games into nothing coming through doesnt help.

we need probably 4 or 5 years of serious drafting , recruiting and developing.

2 or 3 wont cut the mustard.... personally i dont think anyone out of this team is capable of coming in and giving us anything credible .buckley at a pinch.

were will have to replace them all (though i cant tell with giles) and a few from our current firsts for being not up to it.. or cooked.. or going to be cooked when the next wave begins to come through

Were looking at around 2020

thats a killer!!!

Yeah, around 2020 to get the list right and another three years for the likes of GWS to finally come back down to the pack.

cimm1979 · **Posted:** Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:13 pm

Synbad wrote:

yeah but he still had more tackles than 80% of the team

murphy is hardly a tackle sticker......never has been....

Lost by a kick and a half, two goals down to Thomas.

Murph would have been the difference.

That is IF the point of today's effort was to win.

I have my doubts.

CK95 · **Posted:** Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:14 pm

Cameron & Scully would've made up for anything Murph gave us.

diesel_85 · **Joined:** Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:54 pm **Posts:** 1123

Couldn't believe the stat I heard today that the giants, with their 17yo mini draft picks included, have 27 first round draft picks on their list. Twenty flowering seven. Out of 40. That is just ludicrous.
how will any side compete with that in 3 or 4 years? What were the afl thinking? Did they do their homework?

27 first round picks out of 40. Even if half were no good they'd still be a super side.

On top of that, that's also 27 first rounders denied to the bottom clubs who need hope.

WOW

Synbad · **Posted:** Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:15 pm

what GWS GC were given does not FORGIVE what we have done with our drafting though does it?
We can bag GWS and the AFL all we like.. but 5 years of nothingness (except Menzel) is thoroughlly inexcusable.

There was never ever going to be a Geelong story at Carlton.... was there?
Casboult will never be a Roughead.
Murphy will never be a Ablett
Gobbs will never be Bartel...
Hughes was never going to be a Wells .. and either is Rogers....
Rowe was never going to be Taylor

as bad a coach as Bomba Thompson was Ratten was never going to be a flag creating coach.
McKay is no Balme
Sticks was no Costa

thats why you cant compare people to the best... Cripps = Diesel or Mitchell
Youre asking for a slap in the face....
wont happen.. its Sandman gold dust

This club and the supporters need to get fair dinkum.
Once we do become fairdinkum from top to bottom we have some kind of fighting chance.
right now were wood ducks.
Amateurs all over the place...

cimm1979 · **Posted:** Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:18 pm

CK95 wrote:

Cameron & Scully would've made up for anything Murph gave us.

Maybe, but Synbad tells us week in week out that Murphs the reason we don't win and Daisy's tackles are different to everyone elses. Today they weren't, cost us the game.

Murph plays, Thomas does his job and we win.

Simple.

Synbad · **Posted:** Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:18 pm

we had 35 tackles ACROSS 22 players.
35 might be an AFL season low...

CK95 · **Posted:** Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:19 pm

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=34092&p=1552527#p1552527

I tipped this!

Cretylus · **Posted:** Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:21 pm

[SSPOE-25739845-CFC4]

Cameron too Smart, too classy, too shrewd, too well prepared....

just too good, like Bolton and Leppitch - too smart and polished - nothing our Box could do.

diesel_85 · **Joined:** Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:54 pm **Posts:** 1123

Synbad wrote:

what GWS GC were given does not FORGIVE what we have done with our drafting though does it?
We can bag GWS and the AFL all we like.. but 5 years of nothingness (except Menzel) is thoroughlly inexcusable.

There was never ever going to be a Geelong story at Carlton.... was there?
Casboult will never be a Roughead.
Murphy will never be a Ablett
Gobbs will never be Bartel...
Hughes was never going to be a Wells .. and either is Rogers....
Rowe was never going to be Taylor

as bad a coach as Bomba Thompson was Ratten was never going to be a flag creating coach.
McKay is no Balme
Sticks was no Costa

thats why you cant compare people to the best... Cripps = Diesel or Mitchell
Youre asking for a slap in the face....
wont happen.. its Sandman gold dust

This club and the supporters need to get fair dinkum.
Once we do become fairdinkum from top to bottom we have some kind of fighting chance.
right now were wood ducks.
Amateurs all over the place...

I agree with you but I wasn't comparing gws with our poor recruiting.
I was just staggered at how much they were given. It seems the afl just threw the draft in their hands and said "have fun"

Synbad · **Posted:** Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:22 pm

cimm1979 wrote:

CK95 wrote:

Cameron & Scully would've made up for anything Murph gave us.

Maybe, but Synbad tells us week in week out that Murphs the reason we don't win and Daisy's tackles are different to everyone elses. Today they weren't, cost us the game.

Murph plays, Thomas does his job and we win.

Simple.

prove it....!!!

if u can prove that... u get an around the world trip... (thats so u put some effort into proving it)

Simple??

Then prove it...

Or youre talking shit again....

cimm1979 · **Posted:** Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:26 pm

Synbad wrote:

cimm1979 wrote:

CK95 wrote:

Cameron & Scully would've made up for anything Murph gave us.

Maybe, but Synbad tells us week in week out that Murphs the reason we don't win and Daisy's tackles are different to everyone elses. Today they weren't, cost us the game.

Murph plays, Thomas does his job and we win.

Simple.

prove it....!!!

if u can prove that... u get an around the world trip... (thats so u put some effort into proving it)

Simple??

Then prove it...

Or youre talking shit again....

There are tackles and there are tackles. :lol:

We should revisit your talking up of Thomas' leadership.

Well, today he had his chance, no Murphy, where was Dale?

He was easy to spot, chasing arse all day without making a metre, missing tackles 10m out from goal.

See Synbad, this is an easy game you play.

Not so much fun today when Thomas and Mick have no excuse.

Mick get's rid of Eddie to fit in Daisy and can't help Jeffy.

What's the result? NO FORWARDLINE PRESSURE. How easy is the ball coming out of the forward 50 without Eddie and Jeffy? I reckon even you could skip away from the back 50.

But it's not all bad. I'm pretty sure Mick had penciled in a loss today.

Michael Jezz · **Joined:** Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:52 pm **Posts:** 2044

Dont worry about how deep the cull is, just who we recruit

if we cut 6 and drafted 4 200 gamers and traded in a kpp and a top midfielder, I would take that

Synbad · **Posted:** Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:29 pm

Remember this is an artificial competition we follow.
These clubs are created from thin air.. and conjured up artificailly.
They have no tradition or cultures.
If the AFL is serious about them succeeding they have to give them alot... maybe too much

BUT... we have had a good hand in recruitment also.. but we dont have anything coming through nor have we been recruiting talls or mids that are any good.

Rowe and Casboult would be struggling to get a job anywhere else in the comp
They definitely wouldnt be front liners......
Jamo isnt 100% and either is Hendo.. but just as with runners who can kick in the midfield who do u bring in?
Were at ground zero again... massive restructure and rebuild needed...that was our window with what WE were GIVEN by the AFL.. which was plenty...

dont complain...

missnaut · **Posted:** Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:29 pm

I was surprised at some of the angry responses in the match day thread...It's been the same shit all year.

diesel_85 wrote:

Couldn't believe the stat I heard today that the giants, with their 17yo mini draft picks included, have 27 first round draft picks on their list. Twenty flowering seven. Out of 40. That is just ludicrous.
how will any side compete with that in 3 or 4 years? What were the afl thinking? Did they do their homework?

27 first round picks out of 40. Even if half were no good they'd still be a super side.

On top of that, that's also 27 first rounders denied to the bottom clubs who need hope.

WOW

I posted something similar in the match day thread when I heard the same stat. It's ridiculous the advantage they (and GC) were given, and in a few years it'll be a really lopsided competition with the haves and have nots.

The AFL should be worried because the season this year has stunk and crowds are already voting with their feet and I can only see it getting worse. Who wants to go and see their club get flogged by GWS/GC in 2 years time? The Giants will also struggle to get a fanbase with the Swans still dominating and taking most of the fair weather crowd.

GWS · **Posted:** Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:31 pm

diesel_85 wrote:

Synbad wrote:

what GWS GC were given does not FORGIVE what we have done with our drafting though does it?
We can bag GWS and the AFL all we like.. but 5 years of nothingness (except Menzel) is thoroughlly inexcusable.

There was never ever going to be a Geelong story at Carlton.... was there?
Casboult will never be a Roughead.
Murphy will never be a Ablett
Gobbs will never be Bartel...
Hughes was never going to be a Wells .. and either is Rogers....
Rowe was never going to be Taylor

as bad a coach as Bomba Thompson was Ratten was never going to be a flag creating coach.
McKay is no Balme
Sticks was no Costa

thats why you cant compare people to the best... Cripps = Diesel or Mitchell
Youre asking for a slap in the face....
wont happen.. its Sandman gold dust

This club and the supporters need to get fair dinkum.
Once we do become fairdinkum from top to bottom we have some kind of fighting chance.
right now were wood ducks.
Amateurs all over the place...

I agree with you but I wasn't comparing gws with our poor recruiting.
I was just staggered at how much they were given. It seems the afl just threw the draft in their hands and said "have fun"

Apparently SOS is a genius recruiter... :lol:

Somehow I can't see him having the same impact at Carlton with three average picks a year.

R14: GWS vs Carlton (Post-match discussion)

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