What law did James Hard break?

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So what your saying is incompetence and mediocrity are okay?

No one questions the efforts or the fact that he is passionate about the club or he tried to do the right thing. The FACT is he has been in charge during an extremely poor period of our club and as such he has to take responsibility. I don't like it either but there is no denying it.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Well said!

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Waiting for posters to list what imput and acheivements they have produced for the club

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Many of us have tried to have some input, only to have it stifled.

What's Kernahan done since he retired?

His record has been pretty ordinary as president.

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It's strange, outside of this forum I generally hear that Sticks took a club that was on its knees and transformed it in to a stable position. Not the almighty position Blues fans have been accustomed to in past generations, but stable nonetheless. It's generally said that Sticks played a role in saving our club and while there have been mistakes along the way, he seems to be generally respected for the role he has played. Now that he is exiting people are saying he leaves behind a far more solid platform than he inherited, and the next president / board have a better opportunity to progress from the work he's done and promote the club to a position of strength that has long been missing.

Within this forum he's generally ridiculed for all board involvement he's had and thought of as a person who's ruined the club and failed to take the club to the levels expected from a very demanding supporter base.

The difficulty is knowing whether those outside the forum have a more balanced perspective on things, or whether they don't fully understand the inner workings of the club. Likewise it's hard to know whether posters on here have legitimate connections with the club that enable them to be more aware of board issues than the average punter, or whether posters on here are just generally a bunch of negative keyboard warriors.

With all this in mind I tend to take a balanced approach to looking at Sticks legacy. No doubt one of our greatest players, a loyal servant at board level and a guy who leaves the club in a better place than he found it. Faultless? No way. Ruined the club? Not a chance.

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I bought a coffee from Jason Johnson once
and gave him a few comments on his cafe setup

Kernahan failed to realise his limitations. When he was interim President it should have been just that...but he was used by the Pratts and was probably not intelligent to realise what was going on. Difficult when it's something you love but unfortunately people he considers friends have been pissing in his pocket for many years.

When the club was introuble it was sticks who went to pratt. It was sticks who took over when pratt fell sick and continue on through the times.Why did nt any 1 challenge all these years, i think he has done a good job considering no one step up to the plate.Our recruiting has let the club down big time that is the only promblem over the years.

I think the problem is that all the achievements listed in relation to Sticks are ambiguous, and only belong to him by default of having the title of President.

Not sure what you can really attribute to him beyond providing a recognized public footy profile that legitimized the Pratt dynasty.


I think Sticks' best work for the club was back in the rock bottom period.
I think he genuinely provided stability in the transition phase,
but once Pratt passed away I think Sticks was out of his depth, and should never have decided to stay on as President.

Can't fault his genuine desire to do good for the club,
and his ability to weather the critics and agitators,

but ultimately he wasn't up to the job at all.

Thanks for trying Sticks,
but there are definitely regrets to be listed, in my opinion.

We live to fight another day....onwards to the 17th flag. It will happen.

If you look at revenues, facilities and stability the record speaks for itself.

Prior to his reign we had 2 wooden spoons: our first.
Since he took over we made the finals, and like many others was lead to believe our list was better than it was.
Last year Mark Robinson predicted Carlton would win the flag: for good reason. It didnt happen but it was a better place than where we were in 2002-2007 prior to Kerna.

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"I think he's done a pretty good job" about Kernahan's presidency is like saying "Wow, awesome job, you didn't crash your car on your way to work!"

He didn't do much damage along the way, but didn't do much good either. It was all Status quo (not 80s rock and hair context), which has put Carlton a long way back in the real world.

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Come on Synners, youre saying it has been destroyed. Youre exaggerating.
Carlton FC will be around next year and next decade and so on...longer than you and I live.

You said Kerna was a puppet and too dumb to know he was being used by the oligarchs.
How does he get the blame when he was too dumb to know what he was doing wrong.
The oligarchs wanted him in and there was no one else willing to take the job...maybe Smorgon would have had a second go at it, but there wasnt anyone willing to take on such a basket case.

Frankly I think the club was well and truly [REDACTED] when we were hit with the Black Friday penalties...long before Kerna.

Kerna doesnt have his hands all over failure. He was a figurehead.

Everyone on this thread will admit that we are in a better state for the now and the future than we were before Kerna was ordained as President.

As for regrets....I have a few too.

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Sticks was used in my view...to keep the factions together
Pratts error was to annoint him interim president in the first place.

Why is that relevant when discussing the success of someones Presidency?

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Really Sydney Blue, that's like the old "at least I'm out here playing football" whenever a player gets slagged off.

No ones disputing Sticks efforts on the field and for the club. But come on, he wasn't doing it all voluntarily. He's been well remunerated for his work.

As for what we do, sheesh, really ? The club gets a nice little whack of my hard earned every year through memberships, sponsorship, raffles etc. I only ask that its spent wisely.

This notion that we can't criticize is exactly why this club is in the position it is. Do you think down at Geelong they let Cook rest on his laurels? No, he keeps working harder and harder, improving and making the club better. Any good management team always looks to improve, looks to learn from their decisions.

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My thoughts exactly.

Additionally, this mentality of "you can't criticise Sticks, he's a legend of the club, bleeds Navy Blue, look at how great a player he was" is poisonous to an organisation like a footy club. That mentality is exactly why Essendon* are looking down the barrel of being violated sans lube, all because no-one dared question club legends.

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The best thing I can say about Sticks the administrator was that he was a bloody good footballer.

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Points raised above about Sticks holding onto the position too long and being manipulated too easily appear to be valid. Largely the same thing can be said of Greg Swann. The club has become stale in recent times. I think the unexpected poor performance of our list in the past 24months has no doubt tainted the perception some people have of both Swann and Sticks, if they'd finished up 2 seasons ago their reputations would be held in higher esteem.

I don't want to come across as if I'm claiming Sticks has done a fantastic job, but it would be unfair to judge him only on the past couple of seasons. His work in earlier years certainly did plenty of good for the club. He doesn't deserve any grand celebrations to send him off, but he doesn't deserve a kick in the pants as he walks through the exit either.

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sticks destroyed the club
he was a terrible administrator and never forget he was also part of the board under elliot...and everybody else...
nobody has had a bigger hand in where were at today except sticks

and cecil... are u serious?
sticks went to pratt???

ive got a bridge to sell u....

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