we tried losing our way to Flag 17 but for some strange reason they won't give us the cup!!!

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I hope Essendon* folds.

This has nothing to do with wanting Carlton to lose...no one wants to lose...but where we are is worse than you all think. If losing is the only way for those in charge to see the problems then so be it.You can still take positives from a loss.

Not this again

We are well aware that we are shit. But it would be nice to win games like last night where we actually deserved to.

..I understand your point of view Doc, but you're flat out wrong and you of all ppl should know it.. ..if losing was the only way for our board to see the light, they ought to have by now.. ..we've certainly been losing enough for your point of view to have taken effect if indeed it was a sound point of view..

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

What a ridiculous thread. How does winning help?
How has being shit helpes us, melbourne or richmond???
You need a winning culture. Who's had more higher draft picks than melb and us and we are still scraping the bottom. Players need to know how to win ... like the cats do. Do you think sydney hawks cats would sacrifice a season for a couple spots higher in the draft?

Totally agree with this post, and your addendum to it.

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"If everyone is moving forward together, then success takes care of itself" - Henry Ford

TANK

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dane's trolling again

hawks did....

they have 2 flags out of it

its not just the picks... its what u pick... what you do with the picks.. and what are you building?

we didnt have a plan ...

and it boils down to that

why didnt we have a plan?

because were a poor football club

its not like thats a secret...
the 5 pillars of strength

president
coach
ceo
recruiter
footy manager

ours were all failures

not sure how you can have a winning culture if all them were failures

just doesnt happen...

check out every premiership team in history

but talent??... u have to have talent.... maybe without extreme talent one team wins it every 50 years

so if there is one team that wins it without extreme talent every 50 years and there are 18 teams..
multiply 18 by 50 and you get our odds.

we will win it in 900 years on average

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We are In a bit of a conundrum here.

Mick is coaching the ears off the players. I think he has us playing above our capability. So the problem is Mick needs to win so he secures another contract.

But I also agree winning gets us no where. Last year we could have packed it in and got ourselves a number 6 draft pick. Instead we made the finals and finished 6th.

The other issue you have to consider is he wanted to cull the list when he took over but unfortunately we had no players out of contract and a number of under performing players on decent contracts.

My only concern with dropping games like we have in the last two weeks is how it will affect our players mentally..... Look at the tigers for example. They are the most mentally fragile team I have ever seen in all of my 25 years watching footy

because I'm sick of losing as an excuse to get better!

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

It begins...

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WADA medical director Dr Alan Vernec describes Essendon* FC drug case as biggest scandal in team sport the world of sport has seen. #WC2WB

#GUILTY

Jesus Christ. How does winning not hurt us?

It makes our on-field culture better. It's not like we're proven in drafting, so the extra few draft spots we might surrender by winning is negated by our incompetence.

If there was one thing we've learned from tanking is ... it doesn't work. High draft picks don't equal success. Our board will continue to do their pig-headed business (and continue our terrible off-field culture) the way they always have, win or lose ... as the history of our last decade and a half is testament to.


I believe ... Our season is shot, and the powers that be see the guys who aren't up to it on our list just like we do, and no doubt they will all give Mick free license to purge the list and shoot for a 30%+ turnover of players in the offseason win or lose.

So we may as well win and start turning our on field culture around, like what the Dees are doing.

We've been shit and/or losing games we should win for over a decade. Losing hasn't helped our cause.

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"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

The thing a few of you fail to realise is you can't have both. You can't have wins AND change at years' end. Yep...I know it's a repetative argument but it's taken so long for the hrirarchy to get it. Sadly...they don't get it. And don't fret re: Malthouse...he's here to stay. Last night's (for use of a better word 'honorable' loss was a good result. Good teams win those games.

There is one thing that is pretty clear cut now and it doesnt matter who was there in the past ot who recruited who .Mick Malthouse has taken this side backwards
Now you could put any amount of spin and blame on Ratten Sticks Hughes etc . But the buck stops with Mick .this side was better before he took over
Better in all aspects wibs quarters win points for and against contested ball uncontested ball you name if we were better 2 years ago.
Mick needs to stand aside and do what Parkin did. Be the mouth piece and mentor but allow someone else to develop game plans abd match tactics.
He wont do it though because his head is so far up his own arse he cant see day light

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They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

This wouldn't be an issue if we had an administration who weren't hoping to paper over the cracks at every opportunity.

I too believe that the admin STILL don't realise how dire the situation is. Each win would help to validate their past decisions and the perception we aren't in that bad of a position.

The sole problem is THEY JUST DON'T GET IT.

Nobody wants to see their team lose. It breeds a poor culture, which we can see first hand. The point being, many supporters have such little faith in the club, they feel losing is the only thing that can get through to them.

Myself included.

I hate every loss and revel in every win.

The problem is the club is run by half arses and the only thing they seem to respond to is public perception. They are actively losing the supporter base.

I read this forum and some 40+ year supporters are packing it in.

The club needs to wake up. If this were the Middle East, there would be riots in streets and statues tumbling.

They just don't seem to acknowledge the gravity of our predicament. Which leaves us with little hope.

I agree with the statement. The key is are we going to do something about it and do we have the people that can guide us through this period to being on top again?

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The only problem i have with what you are saying Doc is if the changes are miniscule and not worth the effort.

Winning is more more important because the changes we effect at year's end are usually a case of shuffling the deck of the Titanic.

So I would preferred to have won.