..we have to see how his foot heals.. ..otherwise, he's about to enter the prime years of a ruck.. ..and middle of just last season he was the best all round ruck in the comp according to champ data, 2 b.o.g's as well.. ..no more than half a season ago.. ..not sure how that is stalled development..

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levi has played 20 games and continues to get better. his asset is he can take contested marks on a regular basis and has some good agro . yes his role is diff to kruzer but if both were fit right now probably only one of em would play given that warnock is number 1 ruckman .

I don't know ... Levi is a CHF/FF and a ruckmen in a pinch (actually like to see him play at FF because he can clunk them)

kreuzer is a ruck, and despite Warnock having a good season so far, id still rate kreuzer as a better all round ruckmen (when fit)

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Got to love the stare Down by Setanta on Llyod

well if kruzer was fit tommorow would you dump warnock or levi?

And that is a fair question and one that someone will have to answer in real terms before the season is done. The problem as I see it, is that Matthew Kreuzer is a #1 and in MM's own words, 'untouchable'.

Warnock is playing well as a tap ruckman but not much else happening there. Levi is really starting to gain confidence around the ground, holds his own as a backup ruck and might have easily had two goals last week except for a video review and a lick of paint on the inside of the goalpost.

Levi and Josh Kennedy.

Josh was criticized a lot in his first few seasons because he constantly fell over, kicked badly and was generally all at sea but look at him now. I am not suggesting Levi will be as good as him but I am suggesting he will be a lot better in two years than he is now. And what if he DOES turn out as good as Kennedy? We can't afford to lose that sort of potential.

So what is the answer to your question?

I would play Kreuzer in the NB for several weeks to start with. Then, based on his performance I would try and fit all three of the above in. Waite is done for by the end of next year at most, maybe this year. Levi has to stay to take his place. Kreuzer can then play ruck forward and Warnock as a tap ruckman but if by next year there is only room for two of the three? Robbie, I'm sorry mate but I'd rather lose a few taps for more power plays around the ground.

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blue sombero. no argument from me there at all. as handy as warnock is he just doesnt impose enough for such a big guy.

i like the kennedy comparison , very similar for sure .

But its a team game Sugar not individuals
Malthouse needs to develop the team and the way it plays

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They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

A lot of people want SOS back to the club to do list management. Looking at GWS progress or lack of it vs GC (taking 1 year difference into account) I would say no. GWS seems unbalanced and they are very disappointing

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TC suffers from the social media illness - the death of respect and constructive discourse by keyboard.

They also don't have Gaz.

And paid an average player the same money to join them

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TC suffers from the social media illness - the death of respect and constructive discourse by keyboard.

Mick must read TC. He just said the exact words of the thread title on 5AA. Changing of the guard is happening and Menz, Bucks & Doc are leading the way. Not to mention mid aged players like Gibbs & Murph stepping up without Judd & Carrots.

Clearly our older players are near the end and it is good to have some younger players coming through, but we don't have another Judd. Menzel will be very good but we are a long way short in emerging talent. Who is under 25, not playing and likely to improve our side significantly in the next few years - hopefully Cripps. Who else? We seem to have got through the 2009/10/11 drafts with f/s Dylan B being the only likely long term prospect. We will be lucky to finish 12th. Given that Judd is one of the players we will lose soon and he made us 5 goals better, we need a lot more than we currently have on the list to become a final 8 side let alone a flag side. Our 30 year history of average to mediocre drafting, lack of development and lack of foresight have left us as a mediocre club with no ideas except reverting to the old ways of sacking coaches, employing big name coaches on way to much money, desperation recruiting of good players with injury worries on way too much money. If we want to stick with 'steady as she goes' and swallow Mick's self serving justifications we will be in the same spot for the next decade or more.

People are jumping at shadows when it comes to GWS.
There list currently is better but younger (key) than GC.

We will really see SOS's list management skills in the next few years, when he tries to build a competitive team.

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dane's trolling again

...they can have our Gazeman, kidding big man, i am a fan...

I don't think we are a 5 goals better team with the current Judd, still great player and leader when fit but not 5 goals..

DOC, Garlett, Touhe, AW, DT, LH either aren't fit or new to club and will get better. Cripps, Reymolds, Holman, Watson, Nick Graham, Tom Bell etc will get better with another year.
So cheer up matety, with another trade like last year, then who knows.

SOS is dumb arse. Shafted from commentating (quite possibly the worst in history) to Assistant coaching to list manager...... All he will have left soon is showing a backman how to punch the ball. Like so many ex footballers lucky to have a job.

PS on average there are 10 assistant coaches at each club now. And who pays for it? We do. What a rort. 6 figures, and multiples of, just ot move a few cones around and act like you are important.

End of rant.

We are seeing the changing of the guard both on and off the field.

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Bang on

In last 18 months ...

New president
New head coach
New fitness boss
New CEO
New recruitment manager
New skipper

Not entirely new.