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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 12:02 pm 
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Punter22 wrote:
I think we should let him go. He's a lazy player both in his physical effort and decision making. If we finish around 15th we'd be crazy to keep him on and pass up on a high pick.


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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 12:02 pm 
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hollywood43 wrote:
If i was Bryce Gibbs id be demanding big money too, he is 10 times better than Dale Thomas and we paid Daisy $700 k a season ??
If any of us at our workplaces had a new person come on board, do less but be paid more we would all be asking for a pay rise
Gibbs isnt my fav player, and yes he is weak, but he has good skills and is a classy player

Whoever signed off on getting Daisy Thomas needs to step down right now... and Malthouse can go with him as well, hes done nothing


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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 12:05 pm 
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SnickerS wrote:
Its the biggest "no brainer" decision the club needs to make.
Unfortunately it aint happenining kids.


Agreed....
Such a sad state of affairs our Club is in.
Living off past glories which a generation of new supporters can hardly recall.
We're slipping into Melbourne Football Club territory, who still go on about Barassi and 1964 because they ve got nothing else.
Joke.
But hey, the new puppet president that Sticks recommends will be ok right ?

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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 12:08 pm 
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We all love Carlton clearly, and we want to believe we didnt balls up the Daisy selection, but seriously based on what we have seen so far, he MUST be dropped back to the magoos.
If not what message are you sending to the youngsters and rest of the club ? Is it a pride thing ? We dont want to look like idiots in front of the football public by dropping a bloke we paid big money for ?
We look like idiots all ready so cut your losses and drop him till he gets form like everyone else has to

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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 12:14 pm 
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hollywood43 wrote:
If i was Bryce Gibbs id be demanding big money too, he is 10 times better than Dale Thomas and we paid Daisy $700 k a season ??
If any of us at our workplaces had a new person come on board, do less but be paid more we would all be asking for a pay rise
Gibbs isnt my fav player, and yes he is weak, but he has good skills and is a classy player

Whoever signed off on getting Daisy Thomas needs to step down right now... and Malthouse can go with him as well, hes done nothing


I agree Thomas isn't worth $700k a year and he had a bad game on the weekend, but I would have him over Gibbs any day.

Gibbs has skill but no effort or desire. I would take Thomas, who at least puts in the effort and shows the desire and isn't scared to get his hands dirty.

I don't comprehend your "yes he is weak, but he has good skills and is a classy player".

This breaks me when I see players that have "good skills and are classy" not put in the required effort or go when it is their turn.

Get rid of them and make a statement, this sh*t isn't good enough anymore!


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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 12:23 pm 
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700K for a bloke that tackles and chases ? How about when he gets the ball and butchers it every time ?
Curnow and Ellard are better than Thomas on current form, they tackle and play hard... why are we paying this joker 700 ?
Daisy is averaging 3 tackles , Gibbs is averaging 5
Daisy isnt as good as every one carries on

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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 12:27 pm 
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hollywood43 wrote:
We all love Carlton clearly, and we want to believe we didnt balls up the Daisy selection, but seriously based on what we have seen so far, he MUST be dropped back to the magoos.
If not what message are you sending to the youngsters and rest of the club ? Is it a pride thing ? We dont want to look like idiots in front of the football public by dropping a bloke we paid big money for ?
We look like idiots all ready so cut your losses and drop him till he gets form like everyone else has to


Why drop Daisy ?
Its not as if there's anyone in the Reserves setting the world on fire.
Who, Nick Graham ? A half fit Daisy who gets 20 possessions is worth more to our side than Graham.

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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 12:29 pm 
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If we finish anywhere below 12th we will be crazy not to let him walk via free agency. This will land us a pick DIRECTLY after our 1st round pick - i.e. finish twelfth get pick 5 as our first round pick and then receive pick 6 as FA compensation. Two picks inside top 6.

I like Gibbs but if you perform a realistic assessment of where we are at we are at least 3-4 years from challenging and we desperately to to regenerate our list. Two picks inside top 6 would be invaluable! Unfortunately, Gibbs leaving via FA will facilitate this.

This group is so far from a flag it is laughable. We need to be ruthless and have an eye on the future. My only concern is that we get the next wave of recruits into the club and @#$%&! it all up again with our league-worst standards in player development! :banghead:


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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 12:31 pm 
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Rabbit wrote:
Trade him to Adelaide for Talia.

Throw in some others and go after Grigg, Kerridge and take a punt on Lewis Johnston while we are at it.


NO NO NO NO!!!

Instead of spending 3 million on Daisy - spend $3 million on the best recruiter money can buy.

then build the list properly like building a house.

OUR CLUB JUST DOES NOT GET IT !!!!!!!


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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 12:34 pm 
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hollywood43 wrote:
700K for a bloke that tackles and chases ? How about when he gets the ball and butchers it every time ?
Curnow and Ellard are better than Thomas on current form, they tackle and play hard... why are we paying this joker 700 ?
Daisy is averaging 3 tackles , Gibbs is averaging 5
Daisy isnt as good as every one carries on


I am with you on the 700k being overpriced.
When fully fit, he can play half back, wing or half forward and will run both ways and always gives his all.
He isn't producing at the moment, but he isn't the lone ranger there, and he is coming off a long term layoff.
700k is too much, no argument there, but Gibbs has no excuse, he has the skills and the fitness, my problem is he doesn't have the effort or the desire and we can't keep carrying these types.
I hope he can turn it around and show some passion but I don't think it is going to happen.


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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 12:36 pm 
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
Rabbit wrote:
Trade him to Adelaide for Talia.

Throw in some others and go after Grigg, Kerridge and take a punt on Lewis Johnston while we are at it.


NO NO NO NO!!!

Instead of spending 3 million on Daisy - spend $3 million on the best recruiter money can buy.

then build the list properly like building a house.

OUR CLUB JUST DOES NOT GET IT !!!!!!!


For $3m a year we could get a Gun Head Recruiter and a Gun List Manager. We need both!

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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 12:48 pm 
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Dominator_7 wrote:
SnickerS wrote:
Its the biggest "no brainer" decision the club needs to make.
Unfortunately it aint happenining kids.


Agreed....
Such a sad state of affairs our Club is in.
Living off past glories which a generation of new supporters can hardly recall.
We're slipping into Melbourne Football Club territory, who still go on about Barassi and 1964 because they ve got nothing else.
Joke.
But hey, the new puppet president that Sticks recommends will be ok right ?


Exactly. The club is hollow and dead from the inside out.

Unless there are sweeping changes made, there is little hope for the future.


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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 1:20 pm 
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I agree but it all depends at the end of year where we finish on the ladder,by the way i didnt want thomas i wanted the the pick we get for eddie.How good is coll recruiting mathesion is correct the most important figure .HUGHES makes me want to


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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 1:30 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
Rabbit wrote:
Trade him to Adelaide for Talia.

Throw in some others and go after Grigg, Kerridge and take a punt on Lewis Johnston while we are at it.


NO NO NO NO!!!

Instead of spending 3 million on Daisy - spend $3 million on the best recruiter money can buy.

then build the list properly like building a house.

OUR CLUB JUST DOES NOT GET IT !!!!!!!


For $3m a year we could get a Gun Head Recruiter and a Gun List Manager. We need both!



for 3millions a year we could get all the key board recruiters on TC to manage and recruit the next Champions -:(


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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 1:44 pm 
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bluecape wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
Rabbit wrote:
Trade him to Adelaide for Talia.

Throw in some others and go after Grigg, Kerridge and take a punt on Lewis Johnston while we are at it.


NO NO NO NO!!!

Instead of spending 3 million on Daisy - spend $3 million on the best recruiter money can buy.

then build the list properly like building a house.

OUR CLUB JUST DOES NOT GET IT !!!!!!!


For $3m a year we could get a Gun Head Recruiter and a Gun List Manager. We need both!



for 3millions a year we could get all the key board recruiters on TC to manage and recruit the next Champions -:(


Safe to say they'd do a better job.


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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 1:49 pm 
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Half you guys are right on Daisy so obviously the other half are wrong. He would have been crazy to walk away from the $700,000 being offered and at the moment is playing to the best of his capabilities.

Unfortunately it is not equal to $700,000 a season worth. So blame those who signed off on him if he never gets to that form. Hopefully he will because at the moment he can't run or kick over a jam jar. Aren't there things such as performance based contracts?

And Bryce as I said in another thread is a good average player. A quality player. Maybe he will never get any better and should be paid accordingly. But if we can get a top 5 pick in a strong draft without Wayne Hughes as head of recruiting is it worth the risk?

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Take the draft pick... I don't care if we @#$%&! it up.

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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 2:06 pm 
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What is the minimun TPP


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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 2:07 pm 
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..DT might not be playing at 625s, but he isn't right fit yet either.. ..however, you will pay overs most of the time to trade in from opposition clubs, especially via f.a.... ..was it worth trading in wonnie nornock at rëported 400 p.a when he didnt front up in his first year at all..?.. ..trading in injured players on top dollar is what we do.. ..judd, knockers, mclean, dt,, all recovering from body issues as we got them in, all on big bucks.. ..DT will get better, he will play at what he is worth, which may be below what we paid but that's the extra free agency cost, which is why you dont chase restricted free agents, cos whatever they are worth payin, the restricted aspect is like an exträ cost, surcharge I you like..

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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 2:12 pm 
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Swap him for J Pod

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