Surely Judd has a few months left in him?

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The clubs were there before any of the Collingwood influence was here.
Its a problem that was conceived with the passing of the VFL and the birth of AFL. This club never understood it.
The oligarchical mentality was here then... but Swann wasnt...
All we did is kept the Oligarchy mentality and added Collingwood to that... but i argue we could have done worse than the Collingwood people.. we could have chosen more insiders eg Ratten types.
Id take Malthouse's history over Rattens caching record any day of the week.
Problem is we wasted FIVE PLUS years under Ratten and panicked without planning....and by planning i mean everything...
Andy McKay... whats his role...? People blame MM but McKay has been at the club overseeing football stuff even longer.

Hate looking inwards dont we???

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you need to be very patient Mr S...

Swann knows what he's doing - have you seen his long term plan of transition and strategic outlook?

2019: McKenna, Tuddenham and Twiggy Dunne onto the Carlton Board - maybe Lou Richards or his brother if we can afford them
2021: Major Global Book launch for Mick
2022: Mick McGuanne and Starcevich as skills coaches
2023: Move to Lexus centre - cost about 60 to 70 million Euro
2024: Lawrence Angwin and Digby Morrell to return - possible board roles
2025: Major Book Launch for Mick (start of pre season delayed)
2026: Wes Fellows to help Capuano as Ruck coach
2028: Nathan Buckley to replace MM
2029: Garry Pert CEO appointment
2030; Book launch for Mick
2030: Book launch for Gregg Swann
2032: Paul Lecuria to take over from Mckay

Mr S, you need to give Swann a chance to implement his programs.

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I gotta say, I was always against getting Malthouse as a coach and was very much against recruiting daisy thomas to the club..............

But with that said, BOTH of those pricks are on decent money...... If I was in charge of the club I would be on their ass every second of every day making them earn every cent.


I'll let Sunday's game slide, as Dale is clearly a tad underdone. But Mick has had his 'break-in' period. He know's the players now. He needs to know how to best utilize them......... regardless of skill.

Big year for Carlton........ and it hasn't started well.

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Well if things really go tits up this year, and I do have a funny feeling they might we will see a lot of changes off field as many will finally realize we have flowered up spectacularly and that they are responsible.

Armageddon may arrive after a saints loss on a Monday night, bookmark it!

I'm predicting the future, mick max of 3 seasons as this rebuild job is going to be massive and a mutual agreement will be made to get a younger assistant type in to oversee the rebuild.

Is our list really in much better shape than St Kilda's?

This man had already achieved that by 2004

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3 seasons for Mick may work out well - I hear he has another Book tour lined up

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Director of Coaching and Development - the most critical role at the club

previous Experience in the role?




Appointed by?

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The whole point is that we recruited him because we thought we had a chance at winning a premiership.

The sad truth is, the entire club and Sticks in general, are completely blind-sighted to the fact that we are just NO GOOD.

We don't recruit well and we don't develop well. Recruiting Mick and Daisy isn't going to do a damn thing.


This ain't the 80's. Premierships are not easy to win.

We need a long term plan........................ not short term fixes.

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Synbad your posts in this thread have been succinct and spot on. Credit where it's due

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Disagree with this one. Few more worrying roles held at the club before I get to Wiley.

Guy in back row on the right touted as one of the best match day tacticians in the AFL, little evidence of that last night.

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not sure what laidley has been doing at all since he came to the club

our centre bounce work is appalling

and our midfielders show little to no signs of improvement in ………ANYTHING !

positioning, gut running, decision making, transitioning into defence, tackling…..argh !

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

..still hooked on Judd..

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We need to find our version of a Jason Dunstal.

This person needed to be the architect. The voice between the football department and the board. He must have a vision that will steer our club into the right direction. Be bold. Be creative and attract the best people to our club.

This person is not FRASER flower BROWN. The quicker Sticks departs the better it will be for this club. Hopefully our next president will have the balls to tell sticks and his pals to shove off and let himself take reign and so it their way..... Which is to hack off all the deadwood (sticks, bear and brown)

Point is, our coaching and development is in the hands of Rob Wiley. He is driving these areas.

I don't disagree with Mick wanting a close friend by his side in a new club (especially carlton whoa re notoriously brutal with senior coaches)

Lets look at the Brad Green appointment. fresh out of retirement and because Mick liked him when they went to Ireland, he ended up as an assistant coach in the midfield (someone who basically played as a forward and defender). You may as well give Baker the midfield coaching role. How did our midfield progress last year? Pretty much stagnated and looked tentative and tired. (with the exception of maybe Curnow who improved last year, and maybe Bell who showed something as a new player - Green basically was out of his depth in this critical part of the game plan)

Cappuano and Baker I will not comment on - I don't wish to get my blood pressure up too high this early in the morning

Laidley I am a fan of - very instinctive down to earth coach - probably need that at our club

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Our new up coming mids are all rookies. Green was a mid/forward, I wasn't wrapped with us getting him either, but it would take a lot of effort to take the likes of Bell, Cachia, Curnow, Ellard etc into a super midfield. Those guys do quite well for what they are, but they should be the icing on the cake, not the cake itself!

Cripps, Holman and Graham are still to young to judge at this stage.

Depends on whether Mick was listening to any suggestions Laidley was making (if any)

If you recall, in the 2011 grand final Mick sat in the box like a stunned mullet with Didak on Scarlett all day and crucifying Reid on Hawkins....Geelong couldn't believe their luck in the second half.

People must understand if you lay blame solely on the President, for the clubs condition, then you must also lay blame on Wiley for the performance of the coaches and the quality of our development. You must also lay blame on MM for what the players dish up when they run out to play.

As we all know, its not as simple as that.

I tend to look at the players who run out onto the ground - their leadership, their mental toughness, their pride in performing to their highest abilities, their devotion to team goals.,... etc.. etc

Now the club cultures extends past the playing group dynamics - but if the playing group is dysfunctional, no other club strength can compensate for this short fall.

Recruit the right players first - character, mental strength, motivation, etc.,, comes first - just like Geelong and the Swans do it.

Selwood and McVeigh eat footballs for breakfast, Murph likes wearing suits, (and I am a fan of Murphy)

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