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Big Kahuna Boot
PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:34 pm 
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..the Judd trade may work out against us, because you can only really afford 1 of those kinds of trades every decade or so.. ..and you need to be smarter and have vision with your subsequent drafting.. ..but we didn't do that.. ..paids overs for knockers and then mclean in the 2 years following.. ..was obvious we needed kpp talent.. ..passed over Talia, following year had to get a KPD or else, so pick Watson over Darling.. ..recently thought we need more outside skill and HF smarts, we pick Menzel [and dodgey menzel knees] over Jaksch, a talented versatile kpp.. .... ..now, we're super crazy hungry for Boyd, he's the answer, how can we get the deal done we must or else....

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Blues Clues
PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:36 pm 
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If you take last nights post match press conference as a guide - MM suggests we simply lack midfield depth when compared to the swans.

I buy into that vs our bias for athletic HBFs


I think MM was driving at the absence of Murph and Carrots for this game, moreso than a general list deficiency. Graham and Bell give me hope as likely mids coming through. Buckley with another pre-season could be very useful too.

Though they had 8 out of their flag team, they were not missing any of their arrray of gun mids, that's what really undid us, especially in those conditions. IIRC, we played them last year with Carrots and Murph, too.

Still, would love to swap a Davies or White for an extra mid. :donk:
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Wangers
PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:45 pm 
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Our shopping list includes:
midfielders who can hit targets and are smart footballers (ala like Scotland circa 2004)
KPF
Forwards coach who knows how to get our forward line functioning
KPD

What we have surplus:
Ruckmen
Small forwards
defensive midfielders capable of run-with roles
HBF's

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Michael Jezz
PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:36 pm 
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london blue wrote:
If you take last nights post match press conference as a guide - MM suggests we simply lack midfield depth when compared to the swans.

I buy into that vs our bias for athletic HBFs


Well then play Bell in the wet
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George Harris
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:42 am 
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Looking at some of the other threads, seems to be that no matter how well you draft, if your development is not up to scratch then you fail.

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Synbad
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Both are shit... you know how i know this??

cos most things about how our footy club is currently set up is shit so the probablilty is in my favour....

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George Harris
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Synbad wrote:
Both are shit... you know how i know this??

cos most things about how our footy club is currently set up is shit so the probablilty is in my favour....


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Both. Years of mediocrity in both.


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Pafloyul
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WOW wrote:
Hornet wrote:
WOW wrote:
deano35 wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
I think the 2011 draft was an abject disaster. Three talls, none of whom have had any impact at all.
We desperately need one of them to step out of mediocrity and play a lot of footy for the club but I can't see it.

We obviously got Judd thinking he would lead the midfield into a premiership within his time but history will show it was a wasted trade and we would have done better with Kennedy and pick 3.

We will end up like StKilda but worse. At least they got to a few GFs with Reiwoldt, Kosi and Goddard. We aren't anywhere near it.


In all my time on this forum that is possibly the dumbest thing i have read.
Judd came to this club as the best player in the game and has transformed our thinking and culture with his professionalism in the space of one year as soon as he arrived.
Guys were lazy, unprofessional and even there training and eating habits where from the 70's.
The club culture was lead by Fev which says it all really.
The problem we had is that the club coach was hell bent on a game plan that was all about him and as such has burnt him out within 7 years.
Our recruiting in this period of TALLS has been invisible. Off the top of my head we have had the chance to draft Carlise, Black,Vardy and Darling.
Now imagine we had 1 or even 2 of the above then our posistion would be much different.
To say the Judd trade was a mistake is insane and silly IMO.
ps: we also nabbed a bloke named Armfield in that deal who is a handy player.


agree

How people still question this is beyond me

On top of that he is still in our top three players from what I saw on Friday night

When we traded for Judd I think the expectations were for a bit more than one finals win during his time here. Now that he's nearing the end of his career, its only natural for people to question that trade.

Ironically we question why we have not drafted any good tall forwards... Kennedy?

If we needed Judd to teach our players not to eat burgers etc. then that speaks volumes about our coaches and development staff at the time.

Now I love Judd at Carlton... but I do ask myself 'what if' at times.


Could have picked up Talia instead of Lucas and released Henderson forward

I don't think he is a world beater but Kennedy could have stagnated at Carlton, who knows

What ifs could go on endlessly

None of this has anything to do with Judd

As a club we have been poor for too long now


No one said anything about Judd's talent but the timing of the trade was right off. It was a do or die act of desperation. I even vaguely remember a comment from the club that amounted to the idea that the acquisition of Judd would make up for the lack of a CHF, and everybody lapped it up. :screwy:

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Blue Sombrero
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OK, if you think it wasn't wasted, please list in order, the number of grand finals we have played in since he arrived.'That's why we went after him so hard. It didn't achieve the aim.
He will be gone at the end of next year just as Kennedy is coming into his peak.

Armfield is a handy player but Kennedy and pick three still looks better.

I can't account for all the other what ifs. That's outside the statement.

I stand by it. You can please yourselves.

Oh! I was howled down when I said we should have got Rich instead of Yarran. The worst statement anybody had ever read at the time.
Now Yarran is being lambasted all over town and people want to get rid of him.

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Kouta
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
OK, if you think it wasn't wasted, please list in order, the number of grand finals we have played in since he arrived.'That's why we went after him so hard. It didn't achieve the aim.
He will be gone at the end of next year just as Kennedy is coming into his peak.

Armfield is a handy player but Kennedy and pick three still looks better.

I can't account for all the other what ifs. That's outside the statement.

I stand by it. You can please yourselves.

Oh! I was howled down when I said we should have got Rich instead of Yarran. The worst statement anybody had ever read at the time.
Now Yarran is being lambasted all over town and people want to get rid of him.

:garthp:

Rich was smashed by Danny Stanley on the weekend. 13 touches for a pure mid is deplorable. Can kick it long though to fool everyone he's a gutrunner and a tough in and under player.
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dane
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Surely the forward line coach is sacked.

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Blue Sombrero
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Kouta wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
OK, if you think it wasn't wasted, please list in order, the number of grand finals we have played in since he arrived.'That's why we went after him so hard. It didn't achieve the aim.
He will be gone at the end of next year just as Kennedy is coming into his peak.

Armfield is a handy player but Kennedy and pick three still looks better.

I can't account for all the other what ifs. That's outside the statement.

I stand by it. You can please yourselves.

Oh! I was howled down when I said we should have got Rich instead of Yarran. The worst statement anybody had ever read at the time.
Now Yarran is being lambasted all over town and people want to get rid of him.

:garthp:

Rich was smashed by Danny Stanley on the weekend. 13 touches for a pure mid is deplorable. Can kick it long though to fool everyone he's a gutrunner and a tough in and under player.


Sorry. I wilt in the face of such clever repartee.

How did Yarran go last week? And the week before? And in the twos the week before that? And the week he was sub the first time?
And how many pages on TC are devoted to getting rid of him? I personally think he will stay but that doesn't change the fact most people here want him traded, no matter how many :garthp: you insert into the thread.

The :garthp: emotion is there for people who have no idea how to form a counter argument. It contributes nothing to a discussion other than to give us all an idea of the user's lack of capacity to think things through.

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Synbad
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It's not about Yarran or rich. it's everything

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woof
PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:20 am 
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Bruce Mathieson has his say;

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/c ... 6676159968
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Synbad
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Because we are at the mercy of Bruce. After all we have a board and president who can't survive without his money... We must listen to Bruce every time he picks his Bruce phone from his luxury yacht somewhere if the coast of the gold coast and listen to his running commentary on everything about the club but no independent review is forthcoming.

I'd also like to add that if Bruce speaks people around the club tremble.
The recruitment people are on notice... problem is those higher up are Scot free..

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While our drafting hasn't been perfect, IMO our player development or lack of is a much bigger problem that needs immediate attention.

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Pafloyul
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
OK, if you think it wasn't wasted, please list in order, the number of grand finals we have played in since he arrived.'That's why we went after him so hard. It didn't achieve the aim.
He will be gone at the end of next year just as Kennedy is coming into his peak.

Armfield is a handy player but Kennedy and pick three still looks better.

I can't account for all the other what ifs. That's outside the statement.

I stand by it. You can please yourselves.

Oh! I was howled down when I said we should have got Rich instead of Yarran. The worst statement anybody had ever read at the time.
Now Yarran is being lambasted all over town and people want to get rid of him.


Who is "you"? I certainly think it was the wrong thing to do at the time, as good as Judd is. The very best you could say about it was that it was the right idea done in completely the wrong spirit. We completely wrong-footed ourselves when we should have started from the ground up. It was Judd, a few gingerly selected first rounders and a plethora of 'stock' recruits. That was our rebuild.

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