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 Post subject: Re: Player Feedback
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:02 pm 
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Rod Ashman
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bondiblue wrote:
redback wrote:
Not responsible for the skills?
Not responsible for player mentality?
Not responsible for bench rotations?
Not responsible for win/loss?
Not responsible for players not following structures and game plan?
:?
Am I missing something?
What TF is a coach responsible for?



You have your take....and like me you're guessing MM faults....and the players have their take.

Looking at Neeld and his relationship with players and hearing what I've heard about some players' perception of Ratts...I'm glad we've got MM.

As I just PMed someone, I couldn't believe that I could ever like MM, but he's a passionate Carl;tonian now and has the same objective as all of us.....eyes on the prize.



Bondi I don’t hate Malthouse or like Ratten and I’m not referring to only our coach.
If responsibility and accountability is a prerequisite for one then it’s the same for the other.
That’s simple and logical isn’t it?
Don’t crucify one coach and excuse the other.
Judge them by the same criteria.


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 Post subject: Re: Player Feedback
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:47 pm 
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why?

If I've won 3 flags

and you haven't

then stick your criteria up your arse.

I've won 3

and you haven't.

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 Post subject: Re: Player Feedback
PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:12 am 
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dannyboy wrote:
why?

If I've won 3 flags

and you haven't

then stick your criteria up your arse.

I've won 3

and you haven't.



I'm not sure if you're serious or not with your response.


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 Post subject: Re: Player Feedback
PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:20 am 
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drunk i'd say.

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 Post subject: Re: Player Feedback
PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:51 pm 
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redback wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
redback wrote:
Not responsible for the skills?
Not responsible for player mentality?
Not responsible for bench rotations?
Not responsible for win/loss?
Not responsible for players not following structures and game plan?
:?
Am I missing something?
What TF is a coach responsible for?



You have your take....and like me you're guessing MM faults....and the players have their take.

Looking at Neeld and his relationship with players and hearing what I've heard about some players' perception of Ratts...I'm glad we've got MM.

As I just PMed someone, I couldn't believe that I could ever like MM, but he's a passionate Carl;tonian now and has the same objective as all of us.....eyes on the prize.



Bondi I don’t hate Malthouse or like Ratten and I’m not referring to only our coach.
If responsibility and accountability is a prerequisite for one then it’s the same for the other.
That’s simple and logical isn’t it?
Don’t crucify one coach and excuse the other.
Judge them by the same criteria.



MM hasn't had time to lose the players...so I should give that time. 5 years?

Ta for the response...I understand ....but I read it again and it does seem you are referring to the coach..the present day coach.

I thnk if you asked MM re your post he would take responsibility for all the above, but in fairness it does take time for change say all the footy heads in the media and others.

We're talking about footballers here not Eisnstein. They've gone to primary school, part secondary and straight into footy. MM didn't even have anything to do with their selection onto our list.

Time to let MM do what he has to do with this list. Ratts got it as fay as he could in 2011. We didnt know that at the time and gave him another contract. Fair enough. That's done now. Lets move this club forward by getting the best caoch availble...oh yeah we did that.

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 Post subject: Re: Player Feedback
PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:32 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
redback wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
redback wrote:
Not responsible for the skills?
Not responsible for player mentality?
Not responsible for bench rotations?
Not responsible for win/loss?
Not responsible for players not following structures and game plan?
:?
Am I missing something?
What TF is a coach responsible for?



You have your take....and like me you're guessing MM faults....and the players have their take.

Looking at Neeld and his relationship with players and hearing what I've heard about some players' perception of Ratts...I'm glad we've got MM.

As I just PMed someone, I couldn't believe that I could ever like MM, but he's a passionate Carl;tonian now and has the same objective as all of us.....eyes on the prize.



Bondi I don’t hate Malthouse or like Ratten and I’m not referring to only our coach.
If responsibility and accountability is a prerequisite for one then it’s the same for the other.
That’s simple and logical isn’t it?
Don’t crucify one coach and excuse the other.
Judge them by the same criteria.



MM hasn't had time to lose the players...so I should give that time. 5 years?

Ta for the response...I understand ....but I read it again and it does seem you are referring to the coach..the present day coach.

I thnk if you asked MM re your post he would take responsibility for all the above, but in fairness it does take time for change say all the footy heads in the media and others.

We're talking about footballers here not Eisnstein. They've gone to primary school, part secondary and straight into footy. MM didn't even have anything to do with their selection onto our list.

Time to let MM do what he has to do with this list. Ratts got it as fay as he could in 2011. We didnt know that at the time and gave him another contract. Fair enough. That's done now. Lets move this club forward by getting the best caoch availble...oh yeah we did that.


Sorry that won't work ... MM only works on a 10 year rotation.

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 Post subject: Re: Player Feedback
PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:20 pm 
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Rod Ashman
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bondiblue wrote:
redback wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
redback wrote:
Not responsible for the skills?
Not responsible for player mentality?
Not responsible for bench rotations?
Not responsible for win/loss?
Not responsible for players not following structures and game plan?
:?
Am I missing something?
What TF is a coach responsible for?



You have your take....and like me you're guessing MM faults....and the players have their take.

Looking at Neeld and his relationship with players and hearing what I've heard about some players' perception of Ratts...I'm glad we've got MM.

As I just PMed someone, I couldn't believe that I could ever like MM, but he's a passionate Carl;tonian now and has the same objective as all of us.....eyes on the prize.



Bondi I don’t hate Malthouse or like Ratten and I’m not referring to only our coach.
If responsibility and accountability is a prerequisite for one then it’s the same for the other.
That’s simple and logical isn’t it?
Don’t crucify one coach and excuse the other.
Judge them by the same criteria.



MM hasn't had time to lose the players...so I should give that time. 5 years?

Ta for the response...I understand ....but I read it again and it does seem you are referring to the coach..the present day coach.

I thnk if you asked MM re your post he would take responsibility for all the above, but in fairness it does take time for change say all the footy heads in the media and others.

We're talking about footballers here not Eisnstein. They've gone to primary school, part secondary and straight into footy. MM didn't even have anything to do with their selection onto our list.

Time to let MM do what he has to do with this list. Ratts got it as fay as he could in 2011. We didnt know that at the time and gave him another contract. Fair enough. That's done now. Lets move this club forward by getting the best caoch availble...oh yeah we did that.



Bondi I am referring to our present day coach and every other incoming coach.
I was responding to a previous post by sugar about leading a horse to water.
I agree Ratten lost his way and it was shown through the playing group and he should be responsible and was held to that.
I’m pretty sure you agree with me so far.
I have plucked some of MM’s quote and used them because they do amuse and bewilder me somewhat.
We hired MM to take us forward with the group we have at the present time and for one reason or another this is the list he has until next year. I don’t need to hear about bench rotations or the players lack of understanding or the lack of a certain players mental strength.
He is now in charge and should take full responsibility from MC decisions, structures down to player progress, game day match ups and rotations.
He and every other new coach is there to address these issues, this is the reason they have a job.
This is the reason their predecessor was moved on.
I can see some improvement but i have also seen some of the same basic mistakes that have been made last year by a less experienced and apparently over rated coach.
MM is a highly credentialed and successful coach so I don’t excuse or allow him as much leeway as what Ratten had in his first few years as senior coach but I will grade him with high expectations as what I did Ratten last year if not slightly more so.
I will give credit where it’s due as i have previously but i can’t be a hypocrite if I won’t judge one coach with the same criteria as another.
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 Post subject: Re: Player Feedback
PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:34 pm 
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Wrong RB. We hired Malthouse to clean our playing group up and get rid of the other top 10 picks still around, rebuild us and lose the respect we have gained over the past 3 or so years. Well at least that is what we are being told within TC.


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